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05-22-2001, 02:02 PM | #46 |
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Following Oleman's commentary is a lot like trying to make sense of GreenSpeak (Greenspan's commentary)
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05-22-2001, 02:15 PM | #47 |
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[i]But you do illustrate my point, it is not about the issues it is about the messenger.[/i]
How's that? You have yet to make any point...I have asked you to explain your earlier posts, yet you just keep going on and on about how I've multilated your opinions. As I originally stated, you have offered NO post that in any way states that a solution to any of America's problems would best be solved by market economies and competition. THIS is my point--what's yours?
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I think we have gotten a bit off point here. The original topic pertained to what appears to be the kind of twisted, exaggerated take a grain of truth and build a mountain of excrement out of it stuff, that we all claim to despise. We all have our political biases and tend to believe stories that follow our train of thought. To blindly accept as "Truth" things like this, and the supposed trail of bodies left in the Clintons wake is unwise. There is more than enough dirt on both sides of the fence to need to make things up.
The GOP has attempted to carry the torch of 'Family values" and morality. If this is to be the case they must walk the walk. The kind of squiggling and spin-doctoring so common on both sides cannot be tolerated much less encouraged. There are many people "like me" that are conservative on far more issues than they are liberal. Even thoughh this is the case, since I do not really consider myself a Republican or a Democrat I tend to view statements from each side with similar skepticism. I do not like what I see. While I must admit I see more mud-slinging from the Dems than I do the Reps I see it somewhat like a woman trying to convince me to go out with her because the other gal is an even bigger B$TCH . My suggestion is to hold those who share your political beliefs to "at least" the same standards as those of the opposition.
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05-22-2001, 06:33 PM | #49 |
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Very, very well said RCGChief.
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05-22-2001, 06:47 PM | #50 |
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It's always good to hear from RCGChief when the partisans start spinning.
Libertarians and moderates often have the best BS detectors! :) |
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05-22-2001, 08:36 PM | #51 |
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05-23-2001, 06:33 AM | #52 |
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Oleman, forgive me for ever trying to defend you by stating that you are up front about your liberal bias. The reason we got off point was a result of your incoherent retorts to my defense of you. A quick re-reading of our exchange might help you understand.
I do apologize to the rest of the posters on the topic for having to stray so far in attempting an exchange with this person. In any event, although this topic is about one media story, this topic is also about bias. News outlets are biased most in one direction some in the other. I guess since 'conservative' bias is so rare in major media outlets, this particular story was noteable as to have someone point it out with a topic on the BB. I'll be anxiously awaiting Keg's next contribution that points out the next 'lie' or biased report of a major media outlet when it's biased from a left sided source. As RCGChief pointed out, "My suggestion is to hold those who share your political beliefs to [b]"at least" the same standards[/b] as those of the opposition."
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Thanks for all the kudos. Rod the great Moderate topic killer strikes again!
Now I think I'll go stir up some trouble this mamby pamby down the middle stuff gets dull. Last edited by Lightning Rod; 05-23-2001 at 08:52 AM.. |
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05-23-2001, 09:17 AM | #54 |
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This 'trashing the white house' story has really shed light on the 'who's zooming who' aspect of the partisan public image wars. It gets almost impossible to tell whether the Dems are secretly pumping up the 'distortions' knowing they'll come home to roost on the Repubs heads, or if the Repub heads are giving a wink and a nod to the 'underlings' to disseminate the story.
The reason this story got so much credence, is that it fit the mold so well. Over the past eight years, wing tips had been replaced by Birkenstocks, and nose rings had replaced tie clips for many white house staff [not that there's anything wrong with that]. The presidential race was contentious and brought out the worst in both the leadership and the citizen on the street [in terms of bad-mouthing the opposition]. the allegations, while distressing, were credible. The difficulty is in separating who alleged what, and to what extent. Unnamed sources make accusations both mild and wild that Bush and his administration consistently downplay. Is it because he is above the fray and wants to get on with the 'people's work?' Is it because he wants to appear above the fray, while his minions trash the predessessors? Is it because he's scared he can't forge his own identity with any shred of Clinton still around? Is it because unnamed [I]democrat[/I] sources are putting some of the allegations out there to feed the image of the rabid radical right that has kept them in business so well. Now this report comes out saying 'some things didn't happen, some things may have happened (we can't tell), and some things we would have no way of knowing whether they happened or not.' the confounding factor here is that the Democrats now know that an overzealous attack on them actually girds up their supporters. Thus, like with the subliminable debacle and with Bush's lost debate practice tapes, it is nearly impossible to tell where the attacks are coming from. IS it another overzealous right wing nutjob? IS it the truth. Or is it a dem feedning the conspiracy machine? |
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05-23-2001, 01:04 PM | #55 |
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While we're revisiting some of the old election "dramas", I just read this a couple days ago, hard to believe!
[QUOTE]In the March mayoral primary in St. Louis, three deceased city aldermen and a dog were among those registered to vote, but the election was nonetheless an improvement over the November 2000 contest. That Election Day featured, among other things, a successful lawsuit by a man petitioning a judge to have the polls stay open late because crowding and poor record-keeping were preventing him from voting, even though it was subsequently discovered that he (the lead plaintiff on the petition) had been deceased for a year himself. [Los Angeles Times, 2-28-01; St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 4-17-01] [/QUOTE] |
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