Chiefs Comparing this team to the 2003 squad. - Page 6

Direckshun · 10-05-2013, 02:14 PM

It's a pretty good piece, and inspires an even better idea.

How does this team compare to the Trent Green 9-0 squad?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/0...b_source=pubv1

The Kansas City Chiefs Then and Now: 2003 vs. 2013
By Jason Seibel
Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am

The last time the Kansas City Chiefs were 4-0 was October 5, 2003. The team was made up of players who went by different names, but looking at that roster there were more similarities than one might think.

The team starts with a quarterback, and the guy leading the Chiefs that year was #10, Trent Green. Green is considered by many to be the best quarterback to head the Chiefs since Joe Montana wore #19 in Arrowhead. There are a lot of Chiefs fans in the Kingdom who would say that the Chiefs haven’t fielded a decent quarterback since Green called the signals in the BBQ City.

But, as history has a tendancy to do, the repeat is on. How much does this 2013 team have in common with the last, best team the Chiefs fielded?

Trent Green’s jersey still lives alive and well on Sundays at Arrowhead. But, how were his numbers? Currently Alex Smith is on pace to pass for 3828 yards, 28 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 2003 season, Green threw for 4039 yard, 24 TDs and 12 INTs. The similarities in the two QBs is uncanny. However, I’ve never heard Trent Green saddled with the moniker “game manager.” I didn’t hear the complaining from the Kingdom before or since about not “growing our own QB” when Green was brought to KC.

But, let’s not stop at the QB. Who was Trent throwing the ball to? The Chiefs leading receiver in 2003 (not named Tony Gonzalez) was Eddie Kennison. He caught 56 passes for 853 yards and five touchdowns. Right now, Dwayne Bowe is on target for 52 catches, 592 yards and 8 TDs. Those numbers are pretty close to the same.

Moving through the rest of the team, we see that 2003 Chiefs had a prolific punt/kick returner in the “X-Factor” Dante Hall. After Dexter McCluster’s huge, 89 yard punt return last Sunday against the New York Giants, he threw up the “X” as a show of respect. I got chills. Hall made the Pro Bowl and broke records in 2003. I’m not saying DMC is quite there yet, but the similarities are there.

Probably the biggest comparison that can be made between the two teams, is the guy playing running back. Ten years ago, the man lining up in the position was the future hall of famer, Priest Holmes. Holmes had a breakout year in 2003 rushing for 1420 yards on 320 attempts and scoring a ridiculous 27 TDs, which at the time was the single season record. But, that’s not all he did. He also led all receivers in catches with 74 out of the backfield and added 690 yards to his “from scrimmage” total bringing his total offensive production to 2110. Oddly, Priest had no TD receptions in 2003.

When looking at the Chiefs current running back, Jamaal Charles, I see a lot of Holmes in him. The two are quite different runners, but the way they are utilized in the offense is similar. JC is on target for 280 carries and 1156 yards on the ground as well as 92 receptions and 852 yards through the air. As far as scoring goes, Charles is on target for 16 total TDs, eight on the ground and eight on receptions. The numbers are eerily similar to those posted by Holmes during his epic 2003 season.

The final similarity between the current Chiefs and their counterparts ten years in the past is the coach. Both were successful coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles, and both led their teams to the Superbowl only to lose. As yet another tie between these two teams, current head coach Andy Reid called former coach Dick Vermeil about the Kansas City Chiefs job shortly after it was offered to him. The two coaches had known each other for years and it makes the similarities all too close.

For those of you who remember, the Chiefs went 9-0 that season before being knocked off their pedestal in Week 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Chiefs dropped three of their last seven games before facing the Indianapolis Colts in the Divisional Round of the NFL Playoffs on January 11, 2004.

In a game dubbed “The No-Punt Bowl” both teams scored or turned the ball over on every single possession. The Peyton Manning led Colts scored last and bested the Chiefs by a final score of 38-31. This was a tough loss to take, but happened because of one reason. Unlike the 2013 version of the team, in 2003 the defense wasn’t that great.

Dick Vermeil prided himself on his high flying offensive attacks. He had to because he had to put up enough points to cover for a suspect defense. That unit was exposed by the “cyborg like” Manning. That won’t happen to the team this year. While the offense is only getting better, the defense is already firing on all cylinders. Reid may not be known for his defense, but he’s brought in somebody who can get the job done.

So what do you think, Addicts? With all the similarities, does this Chiefs team go 9-0 before losing? Is it possible for this team to go 13-3? Most say the team will lose against Denver, but are unsure who else can beat the Chiefs. The end of the season is a long way off, but right now, 4-0 for the first time in a decade feels pretty damn good.

RunKC · 10-06-2013, 01:59 AM

Sorry, but this team doesn't stand a chance against the 2003 Chiefs. They are the perfect team to beat this years Chiefs.

I love Poe, but him and the rest of the DL would get their asses kicked by that OL. Houston is a monster, but Roaf is the perfect LT to stop a guy like him.

Richardson is a beast and could block anyone, even Berry. Gonzo, in his prime, would absolutely give this D problems.

That D of the 2003 squad stunk, but I don't think that our offense at this point in time would do too much damage. Probably 21 points or so.

Either way...the 2003 Chiefs drop at least 27 points on our D, and it's all because of that OL giving Trent time to throw and Priest open running lanes.

They could easily make the game a shootout and totally take us out of our game plan in a hurry.

Chief Roundup · 10-06-2013, 04:06 AM

The teams are not similar at all across the O-Line.
One of the biggest pieces, the biggest IMO, of that team and any when the Offense was working was a guy we got for a steal from the Saints because he was injured. That man was Willie Roaf. Yeah I know a big ugly no frills or fun position.
But Roaf not only dominated at his position. He settled the entire O-Line. Which settled Green, who had previously looked uncomfortable in the pocket. After 2 previous knee injuries and a open door at the LT spot any QB would be a little uncomfortable.
When Roaf was our starter at LT is when I noticed a huge difference in that offense. We could throw it all over and run it sideline to sideline.

**Baby Lee** · 10-06-2013, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

You got that right. WILLIE ROAF . Period.

When Roaf retired our team went straight to shit. Green had to try and run for his life and then came Herm ,Haley and Crennel to where we are now.

IIRC, the day Road retired, I posted something to the effect of 'get ready for upwards of a decade of <.500 ball in KC.'

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-06-2013, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Sorry, but this team doesn't stand a chance against the 2003 Chiefs. They are the perfect team to beat this years Chiefs.

I love Poe, but him and the rest of the DL would get their asses kicked by that OL. Houston is a monster, but Roaf is the perfect LT to stop a guy like him.

Richardson is a beast and could block anyone, even Berry. Gonzo, in his prime, would absolutely give this D problems.

That D of the 2003 squad stunk, but I don't think that our offense at this point in time would do too much damage. Probably 21 points or so.

Either way...the 2003 Chiefs drop at least 27 points on our D, and it's all because of that OL giving Trent time to throw and Priest open running lanes.

They could easily make the game a shootout and totally take us out of our game plan in a hurry.

Have you forgotten how awful that D was? JC would ****ing shread it. This current offense would be able to control the clock and keep Green and company off the field.

**dannybcaitlyn** · 10-06-2013, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

I miss Marcus. Guy was a ****ing stud and SOOOOOOOOOOO reliable.

If you needed the conversion on short yardage? See Marcus.

If you were 5 out in the Red Zone and absolutely had to score? Marcus.

Best ever at the goal line and definitely what we could use now when we are third down and one. His shoulders wouldnt be squared up and he would slither his way by the defense for yardage. Another great back I also thought was Jerome Bettis. Even for a big guy he would always fall forward and if there'll wasnt a hole to run in, his head was like a torpedo at peoples ankles.

**loochy** · 10-06-2013, 06:58 AM

OMG the 2003 Chiefs had a secretary named Lincoln and 2013 Chiefs have a secretary named Kennedy!

Raiderhater · 10-06-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The primary reason for the turnovers was that Saunders' offense didn't allow audibles, and it kept them in bad plays.

That is completely fair. I still say that Green was by nature a more aggressive QB.

milkman · 10-06-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

That is completely fair. I still say that Green was by nature a more aggressive QB.

To most, game manager is an insult.

I think it's a wrongly defined discriptor by most.

Troy Aikman was a game manager.
Lenny was a game manager.

Game managers are not mediocre by definition.

Raiderhater · 10-06-2013, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

To most, game manager is an insult.

I think it's a wrongly defined discriptor by most.

Troy Aikman was a game manager.
Lenny was a game manager.

Game managers are not mediocre by definition.

I agree with all of that.

**notorious** · 10-06-2013, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Not to mention Derrick Blaylock. Behind that line: 723 yards at 4.6 yards per carry. Rest of his career: 97 yards at 2.3 yards per carry.

Wow.

**Rausch** · 10-06-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

OMG the 2003 Chiefs had a secretary named Lincoln and 2013 Chiefs have a secretary named Kennedy!

This.

The 2003 Chiefs had one of the worst defenses of all time.

This team has a top 5 D and an offense that could be top 15 by years end...

10-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	Comparing this team to the 2003 squad. It's a pretty good piece, and inspires an even better idea. How does this team compare to the Trent Green 9-0 squad? http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/0...b_source=pubv1 The Kansas City Chiefs Then and Now: 2003 vs. 2013 By Jason Seibel Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am The last time the Kansas City Chiefs were 4-0 was October 5, 2003. The team was made up of players who went by different names, but looking at that roster there were more similarities than one might think. The team starts with a quarterback, and the guy leading the Chiefs that year was #10, Trent Green. Green is considered by many to be the best quarterback to head the Chiefs since Joe Montana wore #19 in Arrowhead. There are a lot of Chiefs fans in the Kingdom who would say that the Chiefs haven’t fielded a decent quarterback since Green called the signals in the BBQ City. But, as history has a tendancy to do, the repeat is on. How much does this 2013 team have in common with the last, best team the Chiefs fielded? Trent Green’s jersey still lives alive and well on Sundays at Arrowhead. But, how were his numbers? Currently Alex Smith is on pace to pass for 3828 yards, 28 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 2003 season, Green threw for 4039 yard, 24 TDs and 12 INTs. The similarities in the two QBs is uncanny. However, I’ve never heard Trent Green saddled with the moniker “game manager.” I didn’t hear the complaining from the Kingdom before or since about not “growing our own QB” when Green was brought to KC. But, let’s not stop at the QB. Who was Trent throwing the ball to? The Chiefs leading receiver in 2003 (not named Tony Gonzalez) was Eddie Kennison. He caught 56 passes for 853 yards and five touchdowns. Right now, Dwayne Bowe is on target for 52 catches, 592 yards and 8 TDs. Those numbers are pretty close to the same. Moving through the rest of the team, we see that 2003 Chiefs had a prolific punt/kick returner in the “X-Factor” Dante Hall. After Dexter McCluster’s huge, 89 yard punt return last Sunday against the New York Giants, he threw up the “X” as a show of respect. I got chills. Hall made the Pro Bowl and broke records in 2003. I’m not saying DMC is quite there yet, but the similarities are there. Probably the biggest comparison that can be made between the two teams, is the guy playing running back. Ten years ago, the man lining up in the position was the future hall of famer, Priest Holmes. Holmes had a breakout year in 2003 rushing for 1420 yards on 320 attempts and scoring a ridiculous 27 TDs, which at the time was the single season record. But, that’s not all he did. He also led all receivers in catches with 74 out of the backfield and added 690 yards to his “from scrimmage” total bringing his total offensive production to 2110. Oddly, Priest had no TD receptions in 2003. When looking at the Chiefs current running back, Jamaal Charles, I see a lot of Holmes in him. The two are quite different runners, but the way they are utilized in the offense is similar. JC is on target for 280 carries and 1156 yards on the ground as well as 92 receptions and 852 yards through the air. As far as scoring goes, Charles is on target for 16 total TDs, eight on the ground and eight on receptions. The numbers are eerily similar to those posted by Holmes during his epic 2003 season. The final similarity between the current Chiefs and their counterparts ten years in the past is the coach. Both were successful coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles, and both led their teams to the Superbowl only to lose. As yet another tie between these two teams, current head coach Andy Reid called former coach Dick Vermeil about the Kansas City Chiefs job shortly after it was offered to him. The two coaches had known each other for years and it makes the similarities all too close. For those of you who remember, the Chiefs went 9-0 that season before being knocked off their pedestal in Week 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Chiefs dropped three of their last seven games before facing the Indianapolis Colts in the Divisional Round of the NFL Playoffs on January 11, 2004. In a game dubbed “The No-Punt Bowl” both teams scored or turned the ball over on every single possession. The Peyton Manning led Colts scored last and bested the Chiefs by a final score of 38-31. This was a tough loss to take, but happened because of one reason. Unlike the 2013 version of the team, in 2003 the defense wasn’t that great. Dick Vermeil prided himself on his high flying offensive attacks. He had to because he had to put up enough points to cover for a suspect defense. That unit was exposed by the “cyborg like” Manning. That won’t happen to the team this year. While the offense is only getting better, the defense is already firing on all cylinders. Reid may not be known for his defense, but he’s brought in somebody who can get the job done. So what do you think, Addicts? With all the similarities, does this Chiefs team go 9-0 before losing? Is it possible for this team to go 13-3? Most say the team will lose against Denver, but are unsure who else can beat the Chiefs. The end of the season is a long way off, but right now, 4-0 for the first time in a decade feels pretty damn good.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1929611	Sorry, but this team doesn't stand a chance against the 2003 Chiefs. They are the perfect team to beat this years Chiefs. I love Poe, but him and the rest of the DL would get their asses kicked by that OL. Houston is a monster, but Roaf is the perfect LT to stop a guy like him. Richardson is a beast and could block anyone, even Berry. Gonzo, in his prime, would absolutely give this D problems. That D of the 2003 squad stunk, but I don't think that our offense at this point in time would do too much damage. Probably 21 points or so. Either way...the 2003 Chiefs drop at least 27 points on our D, and it's all because of that OL giving Trent time to throw and Priest open running lanes. They could easily make the game a shootout and totally take us out of our game plan in a hurry. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley Last edited by RunKC; 10-06-2013 at 02:12 AM..
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Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $1731627	The teams are not similar at all across the O-Line. One of the biggest pieces, the biggest IMO, of that team and any when the Offense was working was a guy we got for a steal from the Saints because he was injured. That man was Willie Roaf. Yeah I know a big ugly no frills or fun position. But Roaf not only dominated at his position. He settled the entire O-Line. Which settled Green, who had previously looked uncomfortable in the pocket. After 2 previous knee injuries and a open door at the LT spot any QB would be a little uncomfortable. When Roaf was our starter at LT is when I noticed a huge difference in that offense. We could throw it all over and run it sideline to sideline. __________________ Fanaticism is nowhere. There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
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