Chiefs Gonzalez needs to come home - Page 6

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 12:00 PM

Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs

The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over.

Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline.

Do I need to connect the dots any more than that?

There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why:

1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez

The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays.

2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez

The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez.

3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High

I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity.

4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found

I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines.

5. The Timing Is Right

The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits.

6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often

As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all.

7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up

Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that?

Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey.

Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs!

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Kansas City shouldn't be in the win this year at all costs mode. The omelette they should be making should be a window that's open for several years to come. Gonzales doesn't help much with that.

So, youre holding Aces (8-0), surrounded by big stacks, and you shouldnt move your chips in because you might get a better hand later???

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-28-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

In a ideal set up, the Head Coach has a lot of input.

In an ideal set-up, we didn't piss away the house to "win now". But now that we're here...

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

In a ideal set up, the Head Coach has a lot of input.

True, but not final say. GM and ultimately owner

TheGuardian · 10-28-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

The media's been bleating about this for a few weeks now. In all that time, I haven't heard Gonzalez say anything but "I want to stay in Atlanta." Not a peep about his time in Kansas City, not a word about how much he appreciated the fans, not a sound about his legacy as a Chief. Why?

Because he doesn't give a **** about Kansas City. Or its fans. Or his legacy as a Chief. He cares about his legacy as Tony Gonzalez. The end.

If he comes back, he comes back. I'll welcome him because we need him. But if Arrowhead had been swallowed by a giant sinkhole yesterday when it was full of fans, he wouldn't have given two shits.

All that.

I still don't understand the love Tony got here. He was and always has been about his own stats. He only cares about himself. **** him.

If he comes back and helps us win a SB, great. But if he stays in Atlanta with his 1 playoff win ever then I hope he enjoys that.

Graystoke · 10-28-2013, 01:53 PM

Glad all this talk of getting Tony G will be over tomorrow.
It aint gonna happen.

And Santa isnt real BTW

BryanBusby · 10-28-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlota69

True, but not final say. GM and ultimately owner

They could certainly do it anyhow, but from all indications Dimitroff is actually the only sane one from the Belichick tree and I don't see it happening unless Mike Smith signs off on it.

It's going to take more than a late round pick IMO. I think the Chiefs should get some more help for the offense via trade, but they should be looking elsewhere.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-28-2013, 01:54 PM

Yeah, I'd much rather give love to a useless shit head like Cassel/Smith because he's a "team guy".

**** that noise.

This is a business. Make the business move.

**the Talking Can** · 10-28-2013, 01:55 PM

yea...let's trade a draft pick for a guy who wanted to retire last year, and is already counting down the games until his real retirement...

so our QB can overthrow him for TDs instead of McGrath?

Halfcan · 10-28-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

In an ideal set-up, we didn't piss away the house to "win now". But now that we're here...

Sorry the NFL stand for Not for long if you lose. It is a win now culture- nobody gives a shit what you did last year or even last week or what you might do next year. Did you win THIS week? And the Chiefs have won every week this year- a perfect half season.

Falcons would be smart to let their 6'8 rookie play and get something for Tony while they can.

**fan4ever** · 10-28-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Dumping Tony is a lot to lose for a pick that will net them a practice squad player next year. Sure they could continue to lose a bunch of games with Tony, but the alternative basically tells the fans "we're mailing this shit in, stay home" and essentially seals their fate for 2013.

I think this is your best point; an owner isn't going to do the "sympathetic thing" and let a marquee player go home when it translates to empty seats and lower ticket sales. However, would love it if it happened...but this is the main reason it probably won't.

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 01:56 PM

Gonzalez calls Sunday’s loss “devastating”

Posted by Mike Florio on October 28, 2013, 1:45 PM EDT
Gonzalez
AP
The Week Eight game between the 2-4 Falcons and 3-4 Cardinals had the feel of an elimination game. If so, the Falcons have been eliminated.

Tight end Tony Gonzalez, who was 95 percent sure in 2012 that he wouldn’t be back in 2013, seems to realize it.

“This is devastating,” Gonzalez said, via D. Orlando Ledbetter of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “This puts us way behind the eight ball as far as the playoffs are concerned. I think our more immediate concern is winning a game against a good team. It was good that we got the win [against Tampa Bay] last week, but the Buccaneers haven’t even won a game this year.”

The only other Falcons win this year came against the Rams, who nearly erased a 21-point halftime deficit in Atlanta.

With the trade deadline a day away, it’s hard not to at least consider whether the Falcons will give Gonzalez a chance to finish his career with a team that has a realistic chance to land in the Super Bowl. While Gonzalez reportedly doesn’t want to be traded, he already has played the “get me off a crappy team” card once in his career. He can’t afford to be perceived as doing it again.

Likewise, the Falcons are believed to have no interest in trading him. But if he truly wants a chance to finish his career with a Super Bowl win (and why wouldn’t he?), it makes sense for the Falcons to give him that opportunity. He didn’t come back for the money (supposedly) or the privilege of playing 16 regular-season games. He returned for the ring.

What’s that, you say? The Falcons don’t want to send the wrong message to their fan base by folding the tents? The tents already have been folded. They can either finish the string with the Gonzalez Farewell Tour or they can leverage him for something that the team will have in 2014, when Gonzalez will be gone for good.

Unless, of course, he’s willing to reconsider his 100-percent vow to call it quits.

Halfcan · 10-28-2013, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yea...let's trade a draft pick for a guy who wanted to retire last year, and is already counting down the games until his real retirement...

so our QB can overthrow him for TDs instead of McGrath?

I am picking up some negativity and sarcasm in this post?

**the Talking Can** · 10-28-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I am picking up some negativity and sarcasm in this post?

was our problem yesterday a) players getting open for big pass plays or b) our QB overthrowing said players?

your answer will determine how you feel about trading away draft picks for a player already dreaming of retirement...

patteeu · 10-28-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlota69

So, youre holding Aces (8-0), surrounded by big stacks, and you shouldnt move your chips in because you might get a better hand later???

You aren't holding aces. You may have a pair of 9s or 10s.

BryanBusby · 10-28-2013, 01:59 PM

If we're determined to acquire another target, I'd be calling a much more hopeless and desperate Jaguars team about acquiring Justin Blackmon.

Sure they'll pay a lot more for him, but he will still be around once Spring comes.

10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	Gonzalez needs to come home Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm. http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over. Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline. Do I need to connect the dots any more than that? There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why: 1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays. 2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez. 3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity. 4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines. 5. The Timing Is Right The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits. 6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all. 7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that? Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey. Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs! As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	Gonzalez calls Sunday’s loss “devastating” Posted by Mike Florio on October 28, 2013, 1:45 PM EDT Gonzalez AP The Week Eight game between the 2-4 Falcons and 3-4 Cardinals had the feel of an elimination game. If so, the Falcons have been eliminated. Tight end Tony Gonzalez, who was 95 percent sure in 2012 that he wouldn’t be back in 2013, seems to realize it. “This is devastating,” Gonzalez said, via D. Orlando Ledbetter of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “This puts us way behind the eight ball as far as the playoffs are concerned. I think our more immediate concern is winning a game against a good team. It was good that we got the win [against Tampa Bay] last week, but the Buccaneers haven’t even won a game this year.” The only other Falcons win this year came against the Rams, who nearly erased a 21-point halftime deficit in Atlanta. With the trade deadline a day away, it’s hard not to at least consider whether the Falcons will give Gonzalez a chance to finish his career with a team that has a realistic chance to land in the Super Bowl. While Gonzalez reportedly doesn’t want to be traded, he already has played the “get me off a crappy team” card once in his career. He can’t afford to be perceived as doing it again. Likewise, the Falcons are believed to have no interest in trading him. But if he truly wants a chance to finish his career with a Super Bowl win (and why wouldn’t he?), it makes sense for the Falcons to give him that opportunity. He didn’t come back for the money (supposedly) or the privilege of playing 16 regular-season games. He returned for the ring. What’s that, you say? The Falcons don’t want to send the wrong message to their fan base by folding the tents? The tents already have been folded. They can either finish the string with the Gonzalez Farewell Tour or they can leverage him for something that the team will have in 2014, when Gonzalez will be gone for good. Unless, of course, he’s willing to reconsider his 100-percent vow to call it quits. __________________ Women want someone who can make them laugh and protect them. So basically a Clown Ninja.
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