Chiefs Beginning of the end of the NFL - The Pick Play - Page 2

steve_minor · 11-18-2013, 12:00 AM

Forget the outcome of tonight's game. If the Chiefs won, I would still have the same feelings about what I saw tonight.

I saw the article talking about Denver's pick plays this week. They are essentially money plays. Need a first down pick play. Tonight reminded me of playing Madden football and how there are things that are almost impossible to stop. Manning excels in this because he is such an accurate passer.

If more and more teams start doing this and the NFL doesn't stop it. Then the NFL will lose my interest just like the NBA has.

Go ahead and call me a soar loser now

Nightfyre · 11-18-2013, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_minor

Did you get A+ on every paper for spelling and grammar, or did the internet turn you into an picky ass grammar police bitch

watch it - phobia has banned people for less!

unlurking · 11-18-2013, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

One article and suddenly everyone is complaining about a play that's been in the NFL for decades and is in every playbook.

Why don't you ask instead why our offense can't effectively run these same plays? Andy ran them all the time in philly.

Because we already know the answer and we don't like it?

Jerm · 11-18-2013, 12:28 AM

I don't mind pick plays...what bothers me is when they're ran with clear OPI and it's never called.

Nowadays the game and rules are so skewered towards the offensive side of the ball, it's borderline laughable.

I'm really surprised more teams don't try to copy Denver's blueprint and just build a complete juggernaut of an offense with a serviceable defense.

Very well could be the formula to win in this NFL from here on out...

jd1020 · 11-18-2013, 12:33 AM

When I think of pick play I think of 2 WR's lined up next to each other and 1 guy blocking the defender to open up the other. I don't think of 2 WR's lined up on opposite sides of the field crossing through the middle.

Deberg_1990 · 11-18-2013, 12:33 AM

I'm sure every team runs pick plays at one time or another. Denver just happens to run more of them.

**TimBone** · 11-18-2013, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I'm sure every team runs pick plays at one time or another. Denver just happens to run more of them.

They're so damned good at it.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-18-2013, 12:47 AM

I know it's easier said than done, but if you're going to get beat on a pick play, then get picked. That might be the only way to plead your case. I agree. I think it's a bullshit play. If you're going to allow it, then lighten up on the defensive holding rules.

-King- · 11-18-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't like it, but they appear to be doing it in a way that's not against the rules. It's damn hard to defend for sure.

This. The only big one was in the redzone on the welker catch. Other than that, they didn't really set any big or obvious picks that I can complain about.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-18-2013, 05:48 AM

The one pass to Welker in the first half, Welker was still breaking out of his route and Decker was already down field blocking Flowers.

The Broncos WRs block before the pass is thrown a ton too.

Didn't decide this game, but I'd also like some consistency.

**SAUTO** · 11-18-2013, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The one pass to Welker in the first half, Welker was still breaking out of his route and Decker was already down field blocking Flowers.

The Broncos WRs block before the pass is thrown a ton too.

Didn't decide this game, but I'd also like some consistency.

this. What about when Decker watched for the DB and threw his ass out there in front on purpose?
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ku_jhawk23 · 11-18-2013, 06:53 AM

The problem isn't the pick play which is border line legal, its that Denver is allowed blatant illegal picks. I think that's what everyone is talking about around the league. A pick play where the receiver runs a route and "accidentally" makes contact is hard to judge.

There were two perfect examples of this in the first half. One was on the right side, Welker went out to do his pick, and the Chiefs corner was going around him. Welker stopped and threw his hip out into the defender. The other was on the left side with Thomas. He picked from the outside in, and actually stopped his route and jumped to the side and set a basketball pick. Those have to be called, but in Denver never are.

**SAUTO** · 11-18-2013, 07:07 AM

Yep that's the play I was talking about
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rabblerouser · 11-18-2013, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I'm sure every team runs pick plays at one time or another. Denver just happens to run more of them.

And not get flagged for OPI.

Anything that helps Golden Boy Manning.

rabblerouser · 11-18-2013, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ku_jhawk23

The problem isn't the pick play which is border line legal, its that Denver is allowed blatant illegal picks. I think that's what everyone is talking about around the league. A pick play where the receiver runs a route and "accidentally" makes contact is hard to judge.

There were two perfect examples of this in the first half. One was on the right side, Welker went out to do his pick, and the Chiefs corner was going around him. Welker stopped and threw his hip out into the defender. The other was on the left side with Thomas. He picked from the outside in, and actually stopped his route and jumped to the side and set a basketball pick. Those have to be called, but in Denver never are.

Exactly - it's ****ing illegal.

Dungver ain't shit, Manning ain't shit.

If those dickheads had to play the same rules as the rest of the league, they'd be flirting with .500.

Remember in the Giants game, when we got flagged for running a play that was basically just like the Welker/Thomas pick that was mentioned earlier??

Yeah, we got flagged for OPI on that shit.

****ing WWNFL...

mcaj22 · 11-18-2013, 07:15 AM

you wont get those calls against Peyton just like a good team in the NBA won't get any calls against Lebron, Kobe, etc.

11-18-2013, 12:00 AM
steve_minor Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Minnesota Casino cash: $7465524	Beginning of the end of the NFL - The Pick Play Forget the outcome of tonight's game. If the Chiefs won, I would still have the same feelings about what I saw tonight. I saw the article talking about Denver's pick plays this week. They are essentially money plays. Need a first down pick play. Tonight reminded me of playing Madden football and how there are things that are almost impossible to stop. Manning excels in this because he is such an accurate passer. If more and more teams start doing this and the NFL doesn't stop it. Then the NFL will lose my interest just like the NBA has. Go ahead and call me a soar loser now
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11-18-2013, 12:28 AM	#18
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $5658996	I don't mind pick plays...what bothers me is when they're ran with clear OPI and it's never called. Nowadays the game and rules are so skewered towards the offensive side of the ball, it's borderline laughable. I'm really surprised more teams don't try to copy Denver's blueprint and just build a complete juggernaut of an offense with a serviceable defense. Very well could be the formula to win in this NFL from here on out...
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11-18-2013, 12:33 AM	#19
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7692645	When I think of pick play I think of 2 WR's lined up next to each other and 1 guy blocking the defender to open up the other. I don't think of 2 WR's lined up on opposite sides of the field crossing through the middle.
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11-18-2013, 12:33 AM	#20
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3664454	I'm sure every team runs pick plays at one time or another. Denver just happens to run more of them. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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11-18-2013, 12:47 AM	#22
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1754497	I know it's easier said than done, but if you're going to get beat on a pick play, then get picked. That might be the only way to plead your case. I agree. I think it's a bullshit play. If you're going to allow it, then lighten up on the defensive holding rules.
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11-18-2013, 05:48 AM	#24
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9363645	The one pass to Welker in the first half, Welker was still breaking out of his route and Decker was already down field blocking Flowers. The Broncos WRs block before the pass is thrown a ton too. Didn't decide this game, but I'd also like some consistency. __________________
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11-18-2013, 06:53 AM	#26
ku_jhawk23 Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $7634910	The problem isn't the pick play which is border line legal, its that Denver is allowed blatant illegal picks. I think that's what everyone is talking about around the league. A pick play where the receiver runs a route and "accidentally" makes contact is hard to judge. There were two perfect examples of this in the first half. One was on the right side, Welker went out to do his pick, and the Chiefs corner was going around him. Welker stopped and threw his hip out into the defender. The other was on the left side with Thomas. He picked from the outside in, and actually stopped his route and jumped to the side and set a basketball pick. Those have to be called, but in Denver never are.
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11-18-2013, 07:07 AM	#27
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	Yep that's the play I was talking about Posted via Mobile Device
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11-18-2013, 07:15 AM	#30
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	you wont get those calls against Peyton just like a good team in the NBA won't get any calls against Lebron, Kobe, etc.
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