Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

Against a bad defense who was short two starters on the DL and one in the secondary.

And with our defense giving the offense two turnovers.

All that, and 21 points scored. Ugh.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Against a bad defense who was short two starters on the DL and one in the secondary.

And with our defense giving the offense two turnovers.

All that, and 21 points scored. Ugh.

Don't forget the special teams score...

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I and many others have said from Day 1 that one of our biggest concerns with Alex Smith is his inability to win games when opposing teams score some points against his defense and he has to make plays to win the game.

I and many others thought the Chiefs gave up way too much to be a mediocre wildcard type team with Alex Smith this season. A combination of the defense playing at an elite level and a powderpuff schedule pointed the hopes a little higher for a while, but it has come crashing down the last three weeks, as the Chiefs have played teams with pulses offensively.

Meanwhile, the team that the Chiefs would play if the playoffs started tomorrow - whom Chiefs homers were SURE the Chiefs could walk over in Cincinnati - just went out to San Diego and held the Chargers to 10 points, one weeks after Rivers tore the Chiefs D apart.

Hey, at least the parking lots and stadium are full again. At least Clark is making money.

I'm honestly baffled how you can talk about Alex not having what it takes to bring the team back when it was painfully hard to miss how bad the defense and the WRs were playing. Sure the pick was bad, but he played a fantastic game.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

I'm honestly baffled how you can talk about Alex not having what it takes to bring the team back when it was painfully hard to miss how bad the defense and the WRs were playing. Sure the pick was bad, but he played a fantastic game.

Alex Smith's 6 percent success rate against teams that score more than 24 points against his defense tells us that he can't consistently win a game where the offense must carry the team, rather than the other way around. That's why I don't believe in his ability to bring a team back.

He has played better the past few weeks than in his previous 4-5 games, but his faults are a contributing factor to the poor performance of the offense on Sunday.

Alex Smith's offense scored 14 independent points. Basically about what it has done all year. That's not good enough.

Alex Smith's offense crapped the bed in the third quarter, when the game turned and got out of hand. Maybe if the offense has an actual drive in the 3rd quarter rather than holding the ball for around 5 minutes total, the defense gets some rest and turns it around a bit. At the very least, you probably take one more possession away from Denver (where was that ball control offense Smith supporters have talked so much about?)

Yes, drops were a problem. Yes, the Chiefs have dropped a lot of passes on the season. But a good QB and good offense overcome them.

Avery's drop was the only one that was blatantly awful. Jenkins was making a diving/stretching play. So was Fasano (who was likely concussed on the play people were up in arms for him dropping).

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

no alex. NO. GOD NO.

A.Smith pass deep left to A.Jenkins to KC 30 for 26 yards



Alex made plays all game. Manning throw 2 picks INT happen.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

We ate giving up like 500 yards a game the last 4 weeks....that's an issue folks. The offense is coming around.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

Every player that takes the field has to assume some responsibility... same as it ever was. It is only the extremist that play the strawman of "see? he gets no blame!"

... but this is well known by everyone... so the rest is just bickering for the sake of attention and "entertaining" mud-slinging.

[TheUte]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Alex Smith's 6 percent success rate against teams that score more than 24 points against his defense tells us that he can't consistently win a game where the offense must carry the team, rather than the other way around. That's why I don't believe in his ability to bring a team back.

He has played better the past few weeks than in his previous 4-5 games, but his faults are a contributing factor to the poor performance of the offense on Sunday.

Alex Smith's offense scored 14 independent points. Basically about what it has done all year. That's not good enough.

Alex Smith's offense crapped the bed in the third quarter, when the game turned and got out of hand. Maybe if the offense has an actual drive in the 3rd quarter rather than holding the ball for around 5 minutes total, the defense gets some rest and turns it around a bit. At the very least, you probably take one more possession away from Denver (where was that ball control offense Smith supporters have talked so much about?)

Yes, drops were a problem. Yes, the Chiefs have dropped a lot of passes on the season. But a good QB and good offense overcome them.

Avery's drop was the only one that was blatantly awful. Jenkins was making a diving/stretching play. So was Fasano (who was likely concussed on the play people were up in arms for him dropping).

If you are really still bitching about AS after the last 12 games, I'm just amazed that you think QB is the biggest issue with this team.

AS should play better no question, but far, far from the problem with this team.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

We lost by 7 points in a game where we blew two red zone possessions.

The QB shares blame, end of story.

What about Dex huge mistake? Dex lets that ball go it could be 28-7. The what if games get old.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TheUte

If you are really still bitching about AS after the last 12 games, I'm just amazed that you think QB is the biggest issue with this team.

AS should play better no question, but far, far from the problem with this team.

I'm not saying Alex Smith is the only problem with this team or even the biggest one.

But he is a significant part of the issues on offense. Poor OL play (though it has played better of late, hmm, what is different?), lackluster receiver play, mediocre QB play all contribute to create the shitstorm that is the Chiefs' offense.

Alex Smith, so far, has been who the doubters feared he was. It sucks, but as long as the Chiefs don't compound their overpay mistake by signing him to an extension, they can move on from it.

Worst thing would be tying themselves to Smith's wagon long term.

He's a Ford Taurus. He's OK. There are some nice features. But he's not a QB you want to be attached to long term if you can afford to avoid it.

Just because he is a gigantic upgrade from the rusted out 1986 Dodge Dart you were driving doesn't mean he's a Porsche.

[TheUte]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not saying Alex Smith is the only problem with this team or even the biggest one.

But he is a significant part of the issues on offense. Poor OL play (though it has played better of late, hmm, what is different?), lackluster receiver play, mediocre QB play all contribute to create the shitstorm that is the Chiefs' offense.

Alex Smith, so far, has been who the doubters feared he was. It sucks, but as long as the Chiefs don't compound their overpay mistake by signing him to an extension, they can move on from it.

Worst thing would be tying themselves to Smith's wagon long term.

He's a Ford Taurus. He's OK. There are some nice features. But he's not a QB you want to be attached to long term if you can afford to avoid it.

Just because he is a gigantic upgrade from the rusted out 1986 Dodge Dart you were driving doesn't mean he's a Porsche.

So what do you think they should do for QB?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TheUte

So what do you think they should do for QB?

In the future?

If they like a QB in the draft, do whatever is necessary to draft him.

If they like a FA QB (which really probably amounts to Cutler), do whatever is necessary to sign him.

If they like a QB on the trading block, do whatever it takes to acquire him.

Unfortunately, without a 2nd round pick next year, their compensation options are limited. Harder to trade up into the first for a QB without that pick, and harder to trade for a QB without that pick.

[mschiefs1984]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I and many others have said from Day 1 that one of our biggest concerns with Alex Smith is his inability to win games when opposing teams score some points against his defense and he has to make plays to win the game.

I and many others thought the Chiefs gave up way too much to be a mediocre wildcard type team with Alex Smith this season. A combination of the defense playing at an elite level and a powderpuff schedule pointed the hopes a little higher for a while, but it has come crashing down the last three weeks, as the Chiefs have played teams with pulses offensively.

Neither has really changed and neither has been proven false.

Meanwhile, the team that the Chiefs would play if the playoffs started tomorrow - whom Chiefs homers were SURE the Chiefs could walk over in Cincinnati - just went out to San Diego and held the Chargers to 10 points, one weeks after Rivers tore the Chiefs D apart.

Hey, at least the parking lots and stadium are full again. At least Clark is making money.

I will for the life of me never understand the giving a hall pass to the defense when they lay an egg and saying well Smith couldn't make enough plays.

Last week even when the D was giving points Alex kept putting the Chiefs back on top. He did it under 2 minutes to go in the game. The D yet again let Rivers drive down and score and the Chiefs lost. All you heard from some is Alex came up short.

I'm not arguing Alex Smith in general I've given up on that I just don't understand how the QB is to blame for piss poor defense. Could the offense always put up more points well ya. But when you do put up a lot of points and still lose I can't put that on the offense. The defense has to take that bullet. They are accountable. Guess that's just me

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

I will for the life of me never understand the giving a hall pass to the defense when they lay an egg and saying well Smith couldn't make enough plays.

Last week even when the D was giving points Alex kept putting the Chiefs back on top. He did it under 2 minutes to go in the game. The D yet again let Rivers drive down and score and the Chiefs lost. All you heard from some is Alex came up short.

I'm not arguing Alex Smith in general I've given up on that I just don't understand how the QB is to blame for piss poor defense. Could the offense always put up more points well ya. But when you do put up a lot of points and still lose I can't put that on the offense. The defense has to take that bullet. They are accountable. Guess that's just me

I'm not giving the defense a pass. They played like garbage each of the past two weeks. They played pretty well in Denver.

Alex Smith's history makes it pretty clear the Chiefs should not expect to win any games that turn into shootouts (or even moderately approach that territory). Last week could have been an exception to Smith's normal career trends if the defense doesn't crap its pants.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

I will for the life of me never understand the giving a hall pass to the defense when they lay an egg and saying well Smith couldn't make enough plays.

Last week even when the D was giving points Alex kept putting the Chiefs back on top. He did it under 2 minutes to go in the game. The D yet again let Rivers drive down and score and the Chiefs lost. All you heard from some is Alex came up short.

I'm not arguing Alex Smith in general I've given up on that I just don't understand how the QB is to blame for piss poor defense. Could the offense always put up more points well ya. But when you do put up a lot of points and still lose I can't put that on the offense. The defense has to take that bullet. They are accountable. Guess that's just me

It's not an either/or proposition. Both sides of the ball were accountable for yesterday. They both started out well, both went into the tank during the middle of the game, and then both did almost, but not quite, enough to win at the end.

It's most likely a different game if either of two things happen: the defense makes even one stop between the late 2nd and early 4th quarters, or the offense does something other than punt when they have the ball with a 21-7 lead, a 21-14 lead or when the game is tied. Both of those things happen, and it might well be a blowout with us on top.

We really squandered an opportunity yesterday, after a hot start.