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Old 10-07-2013, 03:57 PM  
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Romo/Rivers/Cutler..career losers or franchise QBs?
Whats your take on these guys? Would these guys be 5-0 on the Chiefs.....or do they make too many mistakes and turnovers in critical situations? Sure, they put up great "box scores" , but so did Jeff George......
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:41 AM   #271
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I'd put Rivers in a group by himself right now. He's somewhere behind group 1 and ahead of everyone else.
I'm talking the total package, not just stats...

There's no way I'd put Rivers ahead of guys that have had good success and SB rings... some of them (Ben, Eli) are flawed just as Rivers is and have been saddled up with inconsistent team production. But, to me - he's done nothing to put himself between those 2 groups.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:42 AM   #272
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Rivers absolutely belongs in Group 2...don't be silly
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:43 AM   #273
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I'm talking the total package, not just stats...

There's no way I'd put Rivers ahead of guys that have had good success and SB rings... some of them (Ben, Eli) are flawed just as Rivers is and have been saddled up with inconsistent team production. But, to me - he's done nothing to put himself between those 2 groups.
Are you ranking careers or if you could pick a QB to be under center for you team this Sunday? The way Rivers is playing I might prefer him to a few in the elite group right now.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:45 AM   #274
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In no world would I take Flacco over Rivers. No ****ing way.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:49 AM   #275
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Mile High's just butt hurt over what happened Thursday night.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:50 AM   #276
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Mile High's just butt hurt over what happened Thursday night.
Ahh, now it makes sense. Didn't think of that.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:50 AM   #277
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Mile High's just butt hurt over what happened Thursday night.
They are one slip up away from the WC round....so yeah.
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Old 12-17-2013, 11:14 AM   #278
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No, this has nothing to do with recent performances and yes, I'm looking at careers. Not just this season or last week. Careers. The body of work for Rivers doesn't support him being in that range of group 1 or group 2 to me, but it's just my opinion. Not asking you to agree.
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Old 12-17-2013, 11:41 AM   #279
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Rivers, Eli and Ben were all in the same draft with careers beginning in 2004. This doesn't take into account the post season success, but we can go there if you like. During the regular season, Rivers falls behind his two peers from that same draft... and Flacco has proven to be at the very least, on par with what Rivers has done.

W/L
77/49 - Rivers
83/66 - Eli
93/47 - Ben

62/32 - Flacco (career began in 2008)

Completion %
64.6 - Rivers
58.6 - Eli
63.3 - Ben

60.3 - Flacco

Yards
31,939 - Rivers
34,937 - Eli
33,759 - Ben

21,093 - Flacco

TD / INT
217 / 102 - Rivers
227 / 169 - Eli (crazy INTs)
216 / 119 - Ben

120 / 73 - Flacco
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Old 12-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #280
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Rivers, Eli and Ben were all in the same draft with careers beginning in 2004. This doesn't take into account the post season success, but we can go there if you like. During the regular season, Rivers falls behind his two peers from that same draft... and Flacco has proven to be at the very least, on par with what Rivers has done.

W/L
77/49 - Rivers
83/66 - Eli
93/47 - Ben

62/32 - Flacco (career began in 2008)

Completion %
64.6 - Rivers
58.6 - Eli
63.3 - Ben

60.3 - Flacco

Yards
31,939 - Rivers
34,937 - Eli
33,759 - Ben

21,093 - Flacco

TD / INT
217 / 102 - Rivers
227 / 169 - Eli (crazy INTs)
216 / 119 - Ben

120 / 73 - Flacco

Per game avg Rivers is ahead of Ben and Eli in yards and TD's by quite a bit.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:03 PM   #281
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Per game avg Rivers is ahead of Ben and Eli in yards and TD's by quite a bit.
You can split hairs with stats to show anything you like, I'm just looking at careers... Eli has 23 more regular season games and Ben has 14 more, Flacco has 32 fewer than Rivers.

You can say that Eli has the worst winning % with 56%, followed by Rivers with 61% while Ben and Flacco have 66% winning percentages in games played.

If you want to see who ranks higher in a per game stat war, go for it. I'm not basing my rankings purely on stat wars, but provided the stats below to show how they compared - each has a minimum of 6 seasons.

It's a team sport, so having better teams helps the %'s with any QB.

Rivers took over a great team and they fell apart.

In 8 seasons, he's had a record better than .500 4 times - if they go 2-0 down the stretch, he'll make it 5 out of 8. It's not Rivers' fault that the team has traded away or let go a number of their playmakers, but that doesn't keep the "great ones" from continuing to do great things and win.

That's what keeps him out of that grouping for me...
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:04 PM   #282
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eli is pretty bad this year
you can't take his super bowls away
but he sucks this year
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #283
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eli is pretty bad this year
you can't take his super bowls away
but he sucks this year
Yes, Eli and the team overall has been a train wreck.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:43 PM   #284
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Rivers completion % is superior to all three, and this year he's been on fire with 70.3% (1st in the league over your precious Payton). Plus, he has a better in TD/INT ratio over his career.

He's clearly a better QB than the other 3.

If you're using SBs as a measurement, Peyton is behind Eli and Ben. (just silly)
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:39 PM   #285
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Rivers completion % is superior to all three, and this year he's been on fire with 70.3% (1st in the league over your precious Payton). Plus, he has a better in TD/INT ratio over his career.

He's clearly a better QB than the other 3.

If you're using SBs as a measurement, Peyton is behind Eli and Ben. (just silly)
Not using SBs... we'll just agree to disagree. I just stated an opinion and not looking to change minds.
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