Is the shine on Andy Reid already tarnished a bit?

[Rexx]

I am still reeling from one of the worst Chief losses in history and I've seen most of them as a fan of 30 years. I like to think I've got pretty good intuition and here is my worry...

It was nice to see Andy Reid turn the ship around so quickly. I don't think any of us envisioned such a quick turnaround, restoring hope to the fan base and putting people in the seats. That being said, I'm concerned that Reid could likely loose control of this ship pretty quickly if things don't progress from this point.

1. Reid obviously has little understanding of clock management. Yes, we heard that from Philly fans...but witnessing it first hand takes any of the doubt away. Up 28, he needs to attempt to burn some clock to limit the Indy possessions. Many issues throughout the season...there has to be someone who can help him with this.

2. He is extremely loyal to his players and assistant coaches. Because of that, we will likely not see any changes to the staff as he has already mentioned. Sorry Reid, but after that kind of meltdown and getting trashed by national media, a change to the defensive coordinator position should be made. Being stuck with Sutton for the next several years is not going to take us to the next level. As mentioned numerous times on this forum, Sutton is unwilling to make changes or bring pressure when needed...he coaches scared! And it appears Reid will allow this to continue as he had 8 weeks to help change it and did not. NOT A GOOD SIGN AT ALL.

3. Reid has always been known as a "players" coach. He doesn't lay blame and players seems to like that. However, I question his ability to motivate his players especially on the defensive side of the ball. You never see any of the coaching staff show much emotion nor the players. Andy sits back staring at his play calling chart and that's about it. Maybe he has a few of the Marty speeches down, but I don't see it on the field. I also know this was a concern in Philly as he didn't always hold his players accountable when looking at results and effort aka Kendrick Lewis.

4. His general lack of commitment to the run. I'm all for passing as it's a passing league. However, when 1st and goal on the 4 yard line...run the damn ball. GEEZ.

I hope I'm wrong, but these issues are pretty alarming and makes me question if Reid is the long term answer even though he won 11 games this year. Things are going to get tougher...he needs to improve or he will sink eventually. My 2 cents.....

I'm starting to think we should have looked at a young, up and coming coach instead of a retread with proven faults. Some may say this is an overreaction coming one day after a playoff loss...but these things have been apparent for the last 8 games. Anyone else feel this way?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Did you even watch the game? We Avg 2 ypc in 2nd half.

I don't care. Burn the clock. I'd rather burn about 4 mins off of each drive trying to run everytime instead of throwing incompletions and stopping the clock.

Our first 2 drives after going up 4 TD's were less than 2 minutes long. If we would have ran the ball everytime that's about 4 minutes on each of those drives.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don't care. Burn the clock. I'd rather burn about 4 mins off of each drive trying to run everytime instead of throwing incompletions and stopping the clock.

Our first 2 drives after going up 4 TD's were less than 2 minutes long. If we would have ran the ball everytime that's about 4 minutes on each of those drives.

Alex was throwing short passes the clock was running. How about the D not give up 3 TD drives under 2 mins each? At least make the Colts work for it.

[RunKC]

I understand what you're saying, and I agree, but Andy has to try to do the tactical play to win.

I just really wish we had Charles. He would have gotten us the yards to burn the clock

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

They snap it with 3 or 5 seconds most plays.

They didn't run it down past 14-15 SEVERAL times. They don't manage the clock consistently, or well, for that matter.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by RunKC

28 passes and only 10 runs in the 2nd half is inexcusable.

I'm sorry but wtf Reid? We were warned about this. I don't give a flying **** if we were down to Cyrus Gray. Run the ball. Burn the clock. Don't throw incompletions and stop the clock.

So You wanted 3 and outs, burning 90 seconds a possession? Sounds like a plan.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

So You wanted 3 and outs, burning 90 seconds a possession? Sounds like a plan.

What's better? Throwing incompletions and burning less than 2 minutes on the drive like we did or run everytime and burn roughly 4 minutes?

Each running play will burn about a minute off the clock if you take your time and wait until clock is down to 2 or 1 second to snap the ball

[RunKC]

Why not get creative? Why not run a power sweep behind Albert, Sherman and Fasano?
Why not use Alex on the QB runs that worked so well the first half?

[Chiefnj2]

You have to try to run the ball and the clock.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

2nd half Drives


3 plays TD 1:15 elapsed
4 plays 32 yards Smith fumble 2:47 elapsed
3 plays 5 Yards Punt 1:34 elapsed (2 runs on the 3 and out)
3 plays 4 yards FG 1:32 elapsed (1 run no yards)
6 plays 40 yards 2:44 elapsed (2 runs plays)
11 plays 58 yards FG 5:02 elapsed (3 run plays)
6 plays 37 yards 2:26 elapsed (Last drive)


So in the 2nd half the Chiefs had the ball for 17min 20sec

What more do you want the O to do?

The Colts scored 35 points in 12 min 40sec. CAN WE PLEASE STOP BLAMING THE O

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You have to try to run the ball and the clock.

Not when your only running back is Cyrus Gray. How can you guys not understand that?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by milkman

I can not disagree with the first point anymore.
Andy Reid tried to utilize the run game t burn some clock, and the ground game produced about 2 yards per carry.

With that result, Reid turned to the short passing game.

But where he failed, as far as I'm concerned, is that he went conservative to protect the lead with 12 or 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter.

I don't care how much you are up, that's far too early to go into lead protection mode.

Well said, and when I saw this happening it triggered my concerns.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Not when your only running back is Cyrus Gray. How can you guys not understand that?

It wasn't gray the entire time. Your OL has to man up and open some holes. Not running it worked out oh so we'll.

[Sure-Oz]

how hard is this guys? The defense gave up 45 ****ing points and had a 28 point lead. Blaming the offense for any of that game is ridiculous.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy Reid is still a million times better than the Herm/Haley/Romeo clown act we had to endure the previous 8 years.

Yep, and Alex Smith is a 100 times better than Matt Cassel. We are good to go.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

2nd half Drives


3 plays TD 1:15 elapsed
4 plays 32 yards Smith fumble 2:47 elapsed
3 plays 5 Yards Punt 1:34 elapsed (2 runs on the 3 and out)
3 plays 4 yards FG 1:32 elapsed (1 run no yards)
6 plays 40 yards 2:44 elapsed (2 runs plays)
11 plays 58 yards FG 5:02 elapsed (3 run plays)
6 plays 37 yards 2:26 elapsed (Last drive)


So in the 2nd half the Chiefs had the ball for 17min 20sec

What more do you want the O to do?

The Colts scored 35 points in 12 min 40sec. CAN WE PLEASE STOP BLAMING THE O

Why can't you fathom that some of the blame can be spread around? When you blow a 28 point second half lead, lots of things went wrong. How about a kickoff return making it past the twenty? Bowe dropping a third down pass? Reid's play calling and use of timeouts? Lack of a pass rush? Smith's strip sack? Houston letting a ball sail right through his hands? Hemingway not blocking for Bowe? Where were KCs defensive leaders? All little things that could have changed the outcome.