****The Official Fiveheads vs Brady Bill's AFC Championship Thread****

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Don't expect many Denver fans in this one. Away we go!

[TEX]

Originally Posted by listopencil

If a DB hits a WR just as the ball gets there and forces an incomplete, guess what? You call it a great play. If a complimentary WR blocks a DB out of the play just as the primary WR gets the ball, guess what? It's also a great play. It doesn't matter how bitter BB is. It doesn't matter how biased against Denver you guys are. That play by Welker wasn't flagged because it's not illegal. Deal with it.

And if said WR gets there before the fact, as is mostly the case in Denver's offense, whats that called? THAT play by Welker was not "illegal" because he plays for Denver. However, THAT play IS ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE ELSE. You NEVER have to deal with it because the rules are different for Denver.

[stevieray]

..legal play.....same ol cheating donks

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by TEX

And if said WR gets there before the fact, as is mostly the case in Denver's offense, whats that called? THAT play by Welker was not "illegal" because he plays for Denver. However, THAT play IS ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE ELSE. You NEVER have to deal with it because the rules are different for Denver.

Go look at the gif again. Think about the pass interference rules. Now, think about how they have been enforced this season. It's the exact same thing. That play wasn't illegal because it's not against the rules. Denver doesn't get called on it as often because they are very good at it. They have an outstanding future HOF QB that works his WR's asses off all year long on being in the right place at the right time. It pays off.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by stevieray

..legal play.....same ol cheating donks

Greta job of catching a still of the moment just before Welker makes contact.

[stevieray]

yup,, db's hips are always facing the endzone when running from sideline to sideline.

[Amnorix]

I (and former ref Perreira) think List is actually right here. Because Wlker hits Talib at the same time that the ball hits the receiver, it's a block not a pick.

If he'd hit TAlib a half-second earlier than he did, however, it's a horrendous pick play and definitely illegal. I don't know that that isn't a fair bit of luck there in terms of the timing of those two events.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I (and former ref Perreira) think List is actually right here. Because Wlker hits Talib at the same time that the ball hits the receiver, it's a block not a pick.

If he'd hit TAlib a half-second earlier than he did, however, it's a horrendous pick play and definitely illegal. I don't know that that isn't a fair bit of luck there in terms of the timing of those two events.

pffft, ball isn't even in the frame.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by stevieray

pffft, ball isn't even in the frame.

errr...think it's the blur right at the receiver's belly, no?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

errr...think it's the blur right at the receiver's belly, no?

....shadow of db.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by stevieray

I'm not exactly on Denver' side on this. If the ball hits the receiver at the same time Welker hits Talib, then it's legal, even if that is a bit of fortuitous luck in terms of timing.

I've looked at the .gif 10 times and it's very, very close. I think Welker hits him before the ball arrives, but it's very, very close. If it's that close after watching a .gif 10 times, it's not likely to be called by refs who are generally going to give offenses the benefit of the doubt. Especially when that offense has Manning.

[Amnorix]

I can't tell if that blur is the receiver's arm or the ball coming in. Or both.

[GloryDayz]

I agree that for that past 5-6 years, maybe longer, the benefit of the doubt will always go to the offense, and especially a Manning-led offense. He's earned those calls, and all the hating won't change that.

Now, what defense might want to do is plan for it and attack it. Lead with the shoulder into the chest (keep it legal because they aren't a defenseless WR if they're a blocker) and fight your way through the block. If the NFL has problems with that, let that be discussed in time Monday meeting amongst the nfl's leadership. But at Soml point somebody is going to have to tell the NFL they can't have it both ways.

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's cheap in the fact that he had no intention of running a pass route he literally altered how he was running to go get the defender as if he were a defender going for a tackle.

Again, that's called a block. It happens quite often in football games, at least when some of the better offensive teams are playing (which might explain your confusion).

[manchambo]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I can't tell if that blur is the receiver's arm or the ball coming in. Or both.

It's incredibly close. May well have been a penalty. I just don't know where the "cheap" and "intended to injure" comes from.

[ClevelandBronco]

Bellichick doesn't like getting thoroughly outcoached as he was yesterday and he has a person beef against Welker. I love Coach Bill, but his motives are clear. He's trying to shift the heat from himself to Wes.