NFL's salary cap now projected to be about $130 million

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Source: Cap will be $133 million per team http://t.co/u2GSiIHKAc

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

No. Hudson being undersized at Center is an issue when he goes up against NTs one on one.

OK, that makes sense. I still worry about his size. We aren't playing zbs anymore and Reid likes 300+ lb mailers.

[planetdoc]

I really wonder if Hudson is "undersized." I dont think nfl.com or the chiefs website accurately reflect his current weight, which i speculate is closer to 310 lbs.

[planetdoc]

Although I am open to competition, I too believe Hudson should stay at Center. It seems he has done a good job with the line calls.

http://www.kansas.com/2013/12/13/317...ps-chiefs.html

“In some of the offenses I’ve been in, the quarterbacks have been in charge of everything,” Schwartz said. “Not this offense. They put a lot on Rodney, and I’ve been very impressed with the way he handles it. We could have one play where the defense shows us four different looks, and he might have four different people he has to call. The way he does things is pretty impressive.”

When it comes to performance, Hudson’s overall Pro Football Focus grade this year is 3.5, which — while positive — is roughly in the middle of the pack among NFL centers. But Hudson has undeniably been Mr. Reliable for the 10-3 Chiefs this year, and it’s important not to underestimate the value of that. As of now, he is the only player on offense or defense to play every snap since the Chiefs’ week two win over Dallas.

“He’s a rock in there,” offensive coordinator Doug Pederson said. “He’s embraced the position. He’s controlling the line of scrimmage. He’s directing the traffic up front. … The center is the nucleus of the offense, that’s where it starts. He’s brought some stability there.”

Chiefs coach Andy Reid agreed, and essentially said Hudson’s steadying presence has helped spur the offense’s growth over the course of the season.

“That’s a huge part of it,” Reid said. “Defenses are way too complex today. They’re going to hold things right until the end, and somehow you have to get it communicated, whether it’s in the black hole or in Arrowhead.

“We’ve loaded him up, and he’s handled the load there.”

[Direckshun]

People need to stop talking about Hudson as if he is undersized.

He is fine, size wise, for a starting center in the NFL.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

OK, that makes sense. I still worry about his size. We aren't playing zbs anymore and Reid likes 300+ lb mailers.

Actually we went back to ZBS in the 2nd half of the season and the Oline looked better after the change.


dunno what we will do next year

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

People need to stop talking about Hudson as if he is undersized.

He is fine, size wise, for a starting center in the NFL.

Then he's weak and needs to start eating his spinach.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Then he's weak and needs to start eating his spinach.

He's a center.

His job is to make the right calls, and seal off his guy.

Centers are rarely, if ever, maulers.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

He's a center.

His job is to make the right calls, and seal off his guy.

Centers are rarely, if ever, maulers.

I disagree

Centers are not the catchers of the NFL, it matters what they do other than 'call the game'. Having a center that always needs help really hurts in short yardage.

[Mother****erJones]

We need an upgrade at center. Not a "catcher" calling the game. Our interior line sucked.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

He's a center.

His job is to make the right calls, and seal off his guy.

Centers are rarely, if ever, maulers.

That last sentence is a load of shit.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

He's a center.

His job is to make the right calls, and seal off his guy.

Centers are rarely, if ever, maulers.

Bullshit

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Hali is guarantees 8.25 m this year. Basically.

You are basically asking him to restructure the rest of the deal to a 2-year 10 million dollar contract and a very unguaranteed 2016 as a replacement to his existing one year 11m deal in 2014. There is no way he signs that. Hali will want a deal that makes him tough to cut in his twilight years.

NOTE: Assumed discount rate for all NPV calculations is 5%, which is pretty conservative.

Your first statement is simply not true. Contracts in the NFL aren't fully guaranteed. He may have a portion of his salary that is guaranteed, but I doubt it. I would bet his guaranteed years are already behind him.

Your second statement is also simply not true. Hali would have 19 million in guaranteed money in my second scenario of which, he would get 15 upfront. His 2014 and 2015 salaries would also be guaranteed. This deal is based upon the figures Terrell Suggs got from the Ravens. And Hali probably wouldn't command as much as Suggs would in the open market.

Also, if Hali wants a deal that makes him tough to cut in his twilight years, he simply won't get it. He is 30 years old and already has lost a step. It's not just about what he wants, but what he can get. In my contract, he gets a deal with a guaranteed NPV of 18,719, a probable NPV of 25,630 and a possible NPV of 40,086.

That compares favorably to a deal with a NPV (assuming he is retained this year and cut next year) of 8,095 with a possible NPV of which would be that plus the NPV of whatever he could get on the open market after that.

I mean, just crunch the numbers.
In thousands
My contract offer, possible scenarios:
2 years @ NPV of 18,719 + NPV of whatever he can get in the market at age 32 (100% probability of getting this money)
or 3 years @NPV of 25,629 + NPV of whatever he can get in the market at age 33 (80% probability of getting this money)
or 4 years @NPV of 33,033 +NPV of whatever he can get in the market at age 34 (20% probability of getting this money)
or 5 years @NPV of 40,086 + NPV of whatever he can get in the market at age 35 (5% probability of getting this money)

Or his current deal, possible scenarios:
0 years + NPV of whatever he can get in the open market at the age of 30 (5% probability of this scenario)
1 year @ NPV of 8,095 + NPV of whatever he can get in the open market at age 31 (95% probability of getting this money)
2 year @ NPV of 16,258 + NPV of whatever he can get in the open market at age 32 (25% probability of getting this money)

I mean, the deal I propose is categorically better.

Hell, let's compare this to Terrell Suggs deal.

Terrell Suggs deal is structured such that he can be cut in 2016 for 0.2M in cap savings, cut in 2017 for 1.8M in cap savings or cut in 2018 for 4M in cap savings.
Again, in thousands
2 year NPV of his deal: 15,580
3 year NPV of his deal: 19,468 (probably won't be cut.)
4 year NPV of his deal: 22,759 (maybe 50% chance of not being cut?)
5 year NPV of his deal: 25,893 (maybe 25% chance of not being cut?)

[Nightfyre]

Bump for the sake of my edit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

NOTE: Assumed discount rate for all NPV calculations is 5%, which is pretty conservative.

Your first statement is simply not true. Contracts in the NFL aren't fully guaranteed. He may have a portion of his salary that is guaranteed, but I doubt it. I would bet his guaranteed years are already behind him.

Hali's contract in 2014 is basically guaranteed. Unless you think the Chiefs would take a $6M cap hit this year to cut him with no backup plan.

I'm going to cut out all the stuff you wrote about NPV because it's long and has no place here. NPV is worthless and overcomplicated. Hali doesn't care about the NPV of his contract. He cares about how much money he is guaranteed, and how much money MIGHT be guaranteed. Period. There's no reason for him to care about the value of his contract in years where he knows he'll be cut anyway.

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Source: Cap will be $133 million per team http://t.co/u2GSiIHKAc

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