Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins

[Titty Meat]

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

The reality is no coach, owner, or GM is satisfied with making the playoffs. They all want to build a championship team.

Totally agree. Some are just better at it than others...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You'd have an argument if there actually were any "outstanding" skills players in that draft. There weren't.

I was talking about finding a player who can be a star, present or future. Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei (though I was not high on him at the draft, many were), Eric Reid,Ezekial Ansah are all examples of guys already playing at that level. And Tavon Austin, in Andy Reid's offense and with jamaal Charles drawing attention? He certainly would qualify as a skills player with "outstanding" potential.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I wanted Geno Smith. Of course, that turned out to be wrong.

And of course, that has NOTHING at all to do with the discussion at hand. There were several options that were better than Eric Fisher.

That has everything to do with it. Thanks for proving my point for me.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Over Talib and DRC? Certainly.

But Clady and Campbell? No way.

Clady was arguably the best LT in the NFL prior to his injury. Great LTs are harder to find than a great RB.

Campbell is one of the most disruptive DL players of this generation and that's coming from the 5-tech position.

I wouldn't hesitate to trade Charles for either of them.

A great RB is a hell of a lot easier to replace than a great DL or OL player.

We could have gotten all 3 of those guys plus Charles in the 3rd still.

You would have picked Clady at #5?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

That has everything to do with it. Thanks for proving my point for me.

Of course. You can't argue the merits of the actual point, so you divert the conversation into a meaningless tangent that has nothing at all to do with the HERE AND NOW.

What a ****ing moron.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

This argument really doesn't work. Just because the cost of Albert was going to become too prohibitive doesn't mean they have to use a Round 1 pick to replace him.

Nothing says the Chiefs would need to find a RT in the first round or even in the draft, period, had they not drafted Fisher.

Good OL can be found all over the place. Including the 3rd round and later.

So you want to give two seconds for the first franchise QB you've had in a about a decade and bank on finding that gem of a 3rd round OT? Most GMs just aren't going to go that route. That's a good way to get fired.

Also, if they thought Stephenson was starting LT material, they wouldn't have drafted Fisher imo. I'm sure he got a good look.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

So you want to give two seconds for the first franchise QB you've had in a about a decade and bank on finding that gem of a 3rd round OT? Most GMs just aren't going to go that route. That's a good way to get fired.

They had Branden Albert tagged. They had a full year to find someone. They didn't HAVE to take a tackle #1 overall.

Originally Posted by Mugsy

Also, if they thought Stephenson was starting LT material, they wouldn't have drafted Fisher imo. I'm sure he got a good look.

They took Fisher because they felt like they were stuck. Reading any of their interviews from before the draft pretty much made that obvious.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

So you want to give two seconds for the first franchise QB you've had in a about a decade and bank on finding that gem of a 3rd round OT? Most GMs just aren't going to go that route. That's a good way to get fired.

Also, if they thought Stephenson was starting LT material, they wouldn't have drafted Fisher imo. I'm sure he got a good look.

We did have Eric Winston on the team, who didn't do too terribly. He's starting for the Cardinals right now and doing a reasonable job.

We could have tried to legitimately re-sign Albert had we not drafted Fisher and been just fine.

[PRIEST]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Nothing pours more sand in the vaginas of certain posters on CP than NFL free agency.

This ^


& Yes it's entertaining

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They had Branden Albert tagged. They had a full year to find someone. They didn't HAVE to take a tackle #1 overall.



They took Fisher because they felt like they were stuck. Reading any of their interviews from before the draft pretty much made that obvious.

You don't think they took the 2014 draft class into consideration? You don't think they projected where they would realistically be picking and where the top three tackles would go in 2014. Hell, even the 49ers projected it and put a 2nd round conditional clause in the Alex Smith trade. All Dorsey talked about last year was BPA. He seems like a straight shooter to me. Sorry dude but, realistic you are not.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

You don't think they took the 2014 draft class into consideration? You don't think they projected where they would realistically be picking and where the top three tackles would go in 2014. Hell, even the 49ers projected it and put a 2nd round conditional clause in the Alex Smith trade. All Dorsey talked about last year was BPA. He seems like a straight shooter to me. Sorry dude but, realistic you are not.

If Dorsey was being true to his BPA philosophy, then he sucks at his job.

Fisher was NOT the best player in the draft. It was pretty evident even before the draft, but especially now.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

So you want to give two seconds for the first franchise QB you've had in a about a decade and bank on finding that gem of a 3rd round OT? Most GMs just aren't going to go that route. That's a good way to get fired.

Also, if they thought Stephenson was starting LT material, they wouldn't have drafted Fisher imo. I'm sure he got a good look.

They would have come into Year 1 (with that stop-gap, make us respectable QB) with an established, top 10 LT and a promising young player with good physical ability at RT. How is that any different than how they started the 2013 season? (It's not).

And they'd still be looking at the same decision regarding Albert. As it is, they're going into that QB's second season looking like they will use that same promising third-round player in a starting spot (and LT if they align them based on merit so far) ... and still with a complete unknown/unproven guy at the other tackle.

Throwing 1st round picks at the T spot is not the only way to get good players in there. Except, apparently, in KC.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

You don't think they took the 2014 draft class into consideration? You don't think they projected where they would realistically be picking and where the top three tackles would go in 2014.

How could they when they had absolutely no idea where they would be picking? If they automatically assumed that Fisher would be their only chance at a top tackle, they're more short-sighted than a lot of the people here.

It's funny that you talk them up and talk them up and then make statements like this, basically insinuating without even realizing it, that they're not all that smart.

Originally Posted by Mugsy

All Dorsey talked about last year was BPA. He seems like a straight shooter to me. Sorry dude but, realistic you are not.

We have a full season of games, dude. They may have thought Fisher was the BPA at the time but he clearly wasn't. CLEARLY.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I was talking about finding a player who can be a star, present or future. Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei (though I was not high on him at the draft, many were), Eric Reid,Ezekial Ansah are all examples of guys already playing at that level. And Tavon Austin, in Andy Reid's offense and with jamaal Charles drawing attention? He certainly would qualify as a skills player with "outstanding" potential.

You're talking about everything in retrospect.

Before the 2013 season, no one would have even considered any of those guys you mentioned at #1 overall. The only one I would have considered would've been Star but that quickly fell by the wayside after his heart condition was discovered.

In retrospect, Keenan Allen should have been the 1st WR taken.

Kiko Alonso should have gone in the top 10.

In retrospect, Tom Brady should have went #1 overall in his draft class.

People being pissed at the Fisher pick now are just being stupid. He was the only choice that would have really made sense at the time given how our roster looked and everything that we did in the off-season in terms of cleaning house, re-signing players, signing FAs, and how the draft prospects were shaping up both on and off the field.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Throwing 1st round picks at the T spot is not the only way to get good players in there. Except, apparently, in KC.

Well, except for the fact that the best LT in franchise history, and one of the best LT in the history of the game, wash picked up for a 3rd-round pick because NO thought he was gimpy.