Chiefs Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins - Page 16

Titty Meat · 02:30 PM

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It doesn't prove anything. What we wanted to do before the draft has nothing at all to do with what the situation is now, with the benefit of hindsight.

Well, yeah? We should have drafted Brady in the 1st when he came out? There's a ton of stuff you can say we should have done with hindsight, which is why it's stupid to try to make an argument using hindsight. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Your problem is that your entire argument is based on fantasy whereas mine is based on facts.

I'm just telling you that Dorsey pretty much made the only choice that he could have made with the cards that were dealt to him without the benefit of "hindsight".

htismaqe · 03-10-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I'm just telling you that Dorsey pretty much made the only choice that he could have made with the cards that were dealt to him without the benefit of "hindsight".

Again, if you're "stuck" and taking a flyer, you take the guy whose position has the potential to impact the game the most.

Safe is for pussies.

Eleazar · 03-10-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

2. Luke Joeckel, OT - miss (inj. and poor play)

Joeckel is already a miss after playing 4 games and part of another?

Poor play? They felt confident enough in his play at RT to trade away Eugene Monroe and move him to left tackle. He gave up a few sacks, but he was playing at RT, where he'd never played before.

He got his leg rolled up on by a defensive lineman in the Rams game and broke his ankle. That does not make him brittle. It probably would have happened to anyone.

Did you actually see him play a down this year outside of the KC game, or are you just pulling things out of the air?

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Again, if you're "stuck" and taking a flyer, you take the guy whose position has the potential to impact the game the most.

Safe is for pussies.

Yeah, and LT is one of the most impactful positions in this league. If you don't have a good OL, you won't have a consistent offense. There's a reason why teams place an emphasis on building in the trenches first before addressing the perimeter.

Eleazar · 03-10-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, and LT is one of the most impactful positions in this league. If you don't have a good OL, you won't have a consistent offense. There's a reason why teams place an emphasis on building in the trenches first before addressing the perimeter.

Truly groundbreaking. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

htismaqe · 03-10-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, and LT is one of the most impactful positions in this league. If you don't have a good OL, you won't have a consistent offense. There's a reason why teams place an emphasis on building in the trenches first before addressing the perimeter.

You don't need 1st round draft picks to have a dominant line. The most dominant line in team history had only 1 first round draft pick on it and he wasn't drafted by the Chiefs.

How many top 5-10 draft OT play on championship teams? Okung and? In fact, if you look at all the OTs drafted in the top 5 over the past 10 years, you'll see teams like Cleveland and Jacksonvile that are picking top 5 EVERY YEAR.

Joe Thomas is great. He's been so good for the Browns.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 01:34 PM

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that's a little deceptive, you have to show the guys that slipped out of the top 10.

11 San Diego Chargers D. J. Fluker OT -(hit) For a RT, yes, at LT he looked like crud.
12 Oakland Raiders D. J. Hayden CB -(miss)/injured
13 New York Jets Sheldon Richardson DT -(hit) stud
14 Carolina Panthers Star Lotulelei DT -(hit) stud
15 New Orleans Saints Kenny Vaccaro S -(hit) was solid all around but not exceptional
16 Buffalo Bills E. J. Manuel QB -(?)/injured wasn't even the best QB on his team
17 Pittsburgh Steelers Jarvis Jones LB -decent, could turn into a hit because they just cut Woodley. Had 1 sack, miss
18 San Francisco 49ers Eric Reid† S -(hit)
19 New York Giants Justin Pugh OT -okay Another "meh" guy, part of the terrible Giants OL so not much to write home about
20 Chicago Bears Kyle Long† G -(hit) stud Wasn't quite as good as people think but he was certainly among the best rookie OL men at OG

The hit rate was, at best, still around only 50% for the top 20. That's terrible odds that high in the draft.

mcaj22 · 03-10-2014, 01:36 PM

Kyle Long was very good for a rookie, you are just being difficult now to try and look like some NFL evaluation expert.

Jarvis Jones is not a miss when he was being groomed behind a veteran they just ****ing cut. Steelers have depth at pass rusher, imagine that. Something the Chiefs know nothing about and it killed our season entirely when our 2 pass rushers out of 53 players went down.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 01:36 PM

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Joeckel is already a miss after playing 4 games and part of another?

Poor play? They felt confident enough in his play at RT to trade away Eugene Monroe and move him to left tackle. He gave up a few sacks, but he was playing at RT, where he'd never played before.

He got his leg rolled up on by a defensive lineman in the Rams game and broke his ankle. That does not make him brittle. It probably would have happened to anyone.

Did you actually see him play a down this year outside of the KC game, or are you just pulling things out of the air?

Yup, Joeckel played worse than Fisher in the games that he started. He's a miss due to his injury, meaning he contributed little in his rookie year. Jags were fools to let Monroe go.

htismaqe · 03-10-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yup, Joeckel played worse than Fisher in the games that he started. He's a miss due to his injury, meaning he contributed little in his rookie year. Jags were fools to let Monroe go.

Yeah, Monroe was so good they won 22 games in 4 seasons with him. In his 1 season as a full-time LT, they won 2 whole games.

Eleazar · 03-10-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yup, Joeckel played worse than Fisher in the games that he started. He's a miss due to his injury, meaning he contributed little in his rookie year. Jags were fools to let Monroe go.

You're just making shit up.

O.city · 03-10-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, Monroe was so good they won 22 games in 4 seasons with him. In his 1 season as a full-time LT, they won 2 whole games.

Not trying to single you out specifically, but I've seen this argument used lately and it doesn't really hold water.

Using wins and losses to guage a player isnt efficient. Because they didn't win X amount of games, doesn't make Monroe a bad player (or a good player for that matter). Same here with Albert thru all the years we sucked. There is just too much that plays in to wins and losses in the NFL.

OldSchool · 03-10-2014, 01:42 PM

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Kyle Long was very good for a rookie, you are just being difficult now to try and look like some NFL evaluation expert.

Jarvis Jones is not a miss when he was being groomed behind a veteran they just ****ing cut. Steelers have depth at pass rusher, imagine that. Something the Chiefs know nothing about.

Again, basing it entirely on their contributions as rookies. Jones wouldn't have started here either, plus he is slow as hell and was a much better run defender than he was a pass rusher.

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The Steelers want 2013 first-round pick Jarvis Jones to "hit the weight room" this offseason.
Jones was "overwhelmed at times" as a rookie, failing to maintain a starting job when LaMarr Woodley and Jason Worilds were both healthy, and scuffling as a pass rusher. He did earn positive marks in PFF's run-defense grades. As the Steelers are expected to decide between Woodley and Worilds in free agency, Jones is scheduled to enter 2014 locked into the starting lineup. Mar 2 - 4:33 PM

I'm being as critical of all of these rookies as everyone on here is of Fisher and judging them as if they would have been the #1 overall pick.

The only ones who would have truly been a hit at #1 overall as rookies, IMO, would have been Star and Sheldon. Of the 2, Star was the only one that I would have considered at #1. However, that was prior to his heart condition being discovered. After that, I moved him down with the medical red flag because heart conditions concern me.

planetdoc · 03-10-2014, 01:42 PM

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Jags were fools to let Monroe go.

they probably thought that they wouldnt be able to sign him longterm and wanted some compensation for him. they also wanted to move Joeckel to LT since he wasnt progressing at RT. injuries happen.

O.city · 03-10-2014, 01:42 PM

Richardson or Star should have been the pick, using hindsight. Or Vacarro.

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