Cops & Homeless Man

[HoneyBadger]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Well I find that totally not true. In fact I witnessed a bike cop get off his bike and taze a dude coming at him that apparently had a knife. It happened right in front of our apartment like it was "Cops in 3d" The dude fell flat on his face onto concrete. The cop was then able to hand cuff him and they took him away. First the cop warned the guy but the guy who was a good 6'3" kept lunging for him and even told the cop to shoot. He used a tazer and down he went. So I know good and well tazers work & that is what they used to stop him in his tracks. So don't tell me tazers don't work I've seen it work.

I've seen tazers not work too.

Video aside, are you saying you would risk dying by being stabbed because you tried to taze someone rather than shoot them?

It's basic policing, you meet force with force. A knife is deadly force.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

I've seen tazers not work too.

Video aside, are you saying you would risk dying by being stabbed because you tried to taze someone rather than shoot them?

It's basic policing, you meet force with force. A knife is deadly force.

I also know that in some cases tazers don't work especially if a guy is on something and his adrenalin is rushing. In this case I said I thought the dog should have or could have been able to disarm him and take the guy down for the cops to come in. I wasn't even talking about tazing but that got brought up. Anyways I also think a woman could have talked her way to get the guy to sit down and eat a samwich then talk to the guy to stay somewhere else. The cops were aggressive from the start and lasted three hours & I think they could have handled it in a peaceful manner by being nice to begin with.

JMO.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

I've seen tazers not work too.

Video aside, are you saying you would risk dying by being stabbed because you tried to taze someone rather than shoot them?

It's basic policing, you meet force with force. A knife is deadly force.

There was no "force"

[Randallflagg]

Look, I would never say that there aren't times when deadly force NEEDS to be used to save lives - whether it be the Police or the public. I fully support an officers responsibility to have to make that split-second decision. The Officer that shot that old man in Texas was cleared of any wrong doing but that does little for the 76 year old invalid.

The cop that shot that service dog in Filer Idaho and then watched as the dog crawled away to die was cleared also. Even after he cursed at the invalid in a wheelchair for letting the dog outside. Doesn't do a damned thing for the invalid whose dog was executed in his front yard. That cop is a fat-assed piece of crap.

This story, however, seems to go well beyond the norm for "abuse of power". All the firepower that they had at their disposal against a couple of knives held by a man with his back to them. Sorry, there is no excuse for that and those cops should be held for trial. They will not be.

Again, that's the times we live in. Get used to it. It will probably get much worse before it gets better.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Look, I would never say that there aren't times when deadly force NEEDS to be used to save lives - whether it be the Police or the public. I fully support an officers responsibility to have to make that split-second decision. The Officer that shot that old man in Texas was cleared of any wrong doing but that does little for the 76 year old invalid.

The cop that shot that service dog in Filer Idaho and then watched as the dog crawled away to die was cleared also. Even after he cursed at the invalid in a wheelchair for letting the dog outside. Doesn't do a damned thing for the invalid whose dog was executed in his front yard. That cop is a fat-assed piece of crap.

This story, however, seems to go well beyond the norm for "abuse of power". All the firepower that they had at their disposal against a couple of knives held by a man with his back to them. Sorry, there is no excuse for that and those cops should be held for trial. They will not be.

Again, that's the times we live in. Get used to it. It will probably get much worse before it gets better.

Hell, yeah.

I am in total support of using deadly force if a guy is coming at you with a knife, or the equivalent.
But am under no such illusion that a lot of cops don't shoot first, ask questions later, and tell whatever story is needed, truthful or otherwise to justify taking someone's life in the line of duty.
To a lot of police, from what I have seen, believe that they are almost a different species than the rest of the population, and the rules apply to everyone else, are not meant for them, and the lives, and lively hoods of everyone else are worth very little.

I have also met police that are some of the best human beings on the planet and do not want to convey the message that I believe that everyone wearing a badge is like the people described above.

[Randallflagg]

I know that it is not the same thing, but check this video out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O9GmUcp0Mo


Again, I grew up with an Uncle that was a cop. Were he still alive, he would have kicked this Cop's ass up one side of the street and down the other. The most unprofessional example of police "professionalism" that I have ever seen. And he us still on the job. Gee, I can't imagine how UPS, Fed Ex and the mailman were ever able to do their jobs around these "mad dogs".

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BiStateNo

I know that it is not the same thing, but check this video out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O9GmUcp0Mo


Again, I grew up with an Uncle that was a cop. Were he still alive, he would have kicked this Cop's ass up one side of the street and down the other. The most unprofessional example of police "professionalism" that I have ever seen. And he us still on the job. Gee, I can't imagine how UPS, Fed Ex and the mailman were ever able to do their jobs around these "mad dogs".

That was disgusting and has done a great job of putting me in a bad mood.