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**Tribal Warfare** · 06-05-2014, 10:28 PM

How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s $126 million deal

San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick went out of his way Wednesday to thank current Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, the man whose job he usurped two years ago.

“I don’t think I would be at this point so quickly if he hadn’t been such a great mentor to me and helped me along with things,” Kaepernick, 26, said after news broke about his six-year, $126 million contract extension.

But it’s also easy to think Kaepernick may have returned the favor by setting the market for Smith, who is seeking a new deal of his own.

“If I represented Alex Smith,” said former agent Joel Corry, “I’d be telling the Chiefs that my numbers on where the quarterback market is and will be going is correct.”

Kaepernick’s extension is actually worth just $13 million guaranteed but includes roster bonuses that can push that number up. There are also de-escalators, according to media reports, and the contract is constructed in such a way that the 49ers could get out of the deal after a few years with minimal consequence.

Corry said the Chiefs might push for a similar structure, citing Kaepernick as a reference, though he suspects Smith’s agent, Tom Condon, would never go for it.

“If you ask me to take my agent hat off, I don’t think this deal is going to have any real impact on Alex Smith’s negotiation,” Corry said. “It’s two different (situations). The problem is, the Chiefs still aren’t going to want to want to pay him in that Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler range. He’s got the same problem Andy Dalton has.”

Like Dalton, Cincinnati’s quarterback, Smith is generally regarded as a second-tier quarterback in the same class as Stafford, Romo and Cutler, who are all making around $18 million per season.

That could prove to be a bit too rich for the Chiefs’ and Bengals’ liking, if that is indeed what Smith and Dalton — who will be free agents after the season — are asking for. Both teams also invested fifth-round draft picks in talented, developmental quarterbacks (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron) this year.

“Anything over $15 million a year on the average and $35 million in guarantees, the Chiefs should not want to do,” Corry said. “The problem is there’s nobody (making that) because the middle class (of quarterbacks) is gone. Matt Sanchez got cut. Matt Schaub got cut. You really have no middle class.”

This is one of the reasons the 49ers likely felt compelled to lock up Kaepernick, provided he can play well enough to keep the 49ers from extricating themselves from the deal.

“They don’t have a viable option,” Corry said. “Once they traded (Smith) away, they were all in on Kaepernick. They were like, ‘You’re the guy, it’s your ball and run with it.’ ”

Corry also noted that the 49ers could have waited a year to sign Kaepernick, but that might have cost them.

“They ran the risk of him going out and being Joe Flacco, where they win a Super Bowl and then he’s asking to be the highest-paid player in the league,” Corry said. “That’s just kind of the game you have to play with quarterbacks. If you have one that’s young and has a lot of potential, even if he hasn’t reached it, you’re going to have to overpay him.”

The Chiefs, on the other hand, may be willing to take their chances with Smith. Despite an 11-5 record last season, a tougher schedule and a younger supporting cast may conspire to make it difficult for Smith to duplicate his 2013 numbers, even with a respected offensive mind like Andy Reid calling the plays.

“I would tell him: ‘You want that money? Go out and justify it through your play this year,’ ” Corry said. “I’d gamble with him on that one. If he goes out and lights it up, that’s a nice problem to have because then you could always franchise him.”

Both the Chiefs and Smith have said there have been some discussions about a new contract. But Smith, who will make $7.5 million this season, has said he isn’t thinking about an extension and isn’t worried if he doesn’t get one before training camp starts.

“Smith kind of has a little bit of leverage too because KC gave up two second-round picks for him and you really don’t want to see someone walk after giving up two second-round picks,” Corry said. “But I don’t think Kansas City is going to be persuaded to make a substantial bump in their offer based on Kaepernick’s deal.”

RINGLEADER · 06-07-2014, 07:37 AM

If Alex Smith was going to play like he did in the second half of the season I've got no problem with him at QB. Unfortunately for him he also played like crap for half the season. You just don't know what you've got in him - even after almost 10 years in the league.

Let him prove he can do it consistently or GTFO...

Chief Roundup · 06-07-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

If Alex Smith was going to play like he did in the second half of the season I've got no problem with him at QB. Unfortunately for him he also played like crap for half the season. You just don't know what you've got in him - even after almost 10 years in the league.

Let him prove he can do it consistently or GTFO...

New system, new coaches, new players. Nah there was not a single understandable reason the offense wasn't as good at the beginning of the season.

**Rausch** · 06-07-2014, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

New system, new coaches, new players. Nah there was not a single understandable reason the offense wasn't as good at the beginning of the season.

Another huge help was playing the Broncos twice, Chargers twice, the Raiders, and the Redskins.

Wallcrawler · 06-07-2014, 09:36 AM

I hope Alex makes bank just for the entertainment factor of watching the great and wise armchair GM's and QB's on this forum go into full on meltdown mode.

Christ, its going to be ****ing spectacular.

Your tears are delicious, keep them coming along with your pathetic whines and moans. Fight. Its better when you fight. Oh, and should you lose consciousness from the stress of your oral diarrhea, Alex will still be here when you wake up.

I do find it funny though, that while everyone loves to pile on with the Cyrus Gray play (Cyrus Gray shouldn't have even taken a ****ing snap in that game), nobody puts any blame on Dwayne Bowe for getting his big ass out-muscled, out-worked, and out-played by a little ass cornerback down the sideline on a fantastic throw by Alex Smith on 4th down that would have given us FG range, and likely the game.

But hey, lets talk about how a guy not being where he's supposed to be on a timing route having nothing to do with the throw being incomplete, and its all on the QB to know that the receiver is going to plant his head firmly in his ass and slow down on what would be a td, so throw it shorter.

****ing brilliant.

Sandy Vagina · 06-07-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

I hope Alex makes bank just for the entertainment factor of watching the great and wise armchair GM's and QB's on this forum go into full on meltdown mode.

Christ, its going to be ****ing spectacular.

Your tears are delicious, keep them coming along with your pathetic whines and moans. Fight. Its better when you fight. Oh, and should you lose consciousness from the stress of your oral diarrhea, Alex will still be here when you wake up.

I do find it funny though, that while everyone loves to pile on with the Cyrus Gray play (Cyrus Gray shouldn't have even taken a ****ing snap in that game), nobody puts any blame on Dwayne Bowe for getting his big ass out-muscled, out-worked, and out-played by a little ass cornerback down the sideline on a fantastic throw by Alex Smith on 4th down that would have given us FG range, and likely the game.

But hey, lets talk about how a guy not being where he's supposed to be on a timing route having nothing to do with the throw being incomplete, and its all on the QB to know that the receiver is going to plant his head firmly in his ass and slow down on what would be a td, so throw it shorter.

****ing brilliant.

... loved it!

**Dave Lane** · 06-07-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

He should surpass 2013 numbers with ease even with a shit oline. The first 9 games he completed like 7 passes and one touchdown.

Against teams that actually had a defense.

Marcellus · 06-07-2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Against teams that actually had a defense.

There was no huge difference in defenses played 1st half vs 2nd half of the season.

You hate is so blind you cant remember the difference between the QB's our defense faced and the defenses our offense faced 1st half vs 2nd half of the season.

One of those arguments has merit and the other is stupidity.

Hammock Parties · 06-07-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

nobody puts any blame on Dwayne Bowe for getting his big ass out-muscled, out-worked, and out-played by a little ass cornerback down the sideline on a fantastic throw by Alex Smith on 4th down that would have given us FG range, and likely the game.

But hey, lets talk about how a guy not being where he's supposed to be on a timing route having nothing to do with the throw being incomplete, and its all on the QB to know that the receiver is going to plant his head firmly in his ass and slow down on what would be a td, so throw it shorter.

****ing brilliant.

I remember Bowe always ****ed up Cassel's best plays, too! Damn that Dwayne Bowe! Always ruining our potential HOF QBs!

**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

You are right-it was worse than I stated.

Eagles 0
Titans 0
Raiders 0
Texans 0
Bills 0
Colts 0
Chargers 0

7 games in which Alex did not throw a TD. So 43% of the games Alex started he could not manage to throw a TD to help his team. So actually much higher than a quarter of the season in which I stated. My bad.

If a top QB is worth 20 million a year and Alex is only effective 43% of the time-that puts his number at 8,600,000 per year. Pretty much exactly were he is getting paid for next year. His ave salary is 8,416,667. So Alex is already getting more than what he is worth. His base is 7.5 mil with 500k in incentives. But since he got 9 million up front it pushes it to 8.4 according to Sports Illustrated.

The incentive is to lock him up-fear of the future-that we can't find a QB that is effective at least 57% of the games he starts while being paid 8.4 million to not throw TD's in 7 games including the last two losses to the Colts and Chargers.

Smart money is to let him finish this contract in which he will be slightly overpaid. And then Franchise him-if he does improve or god help us-we actually win a playoff game.

He had better numbers across the board than Kaepernick.

Less talent around him as well.

Shrugs.

**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

If Alex Smith was going to play like he did in the second half of the season I've got no problem with him at QB. Unfortunately for him he also played like crap for half the season. You just don't know what you've got in him - even after almost 10 years in the league.

Let him prove he can do it consistently or GTFO...

You know exactly what you have in Alex Smith.

A hard worker. A true team guy, a leader. A guy who never complains, always shows up, is a lot tougher than people want to get credit for.

His negatives will always be his ultra conservative nature. he would rather let the players around him make the plays and shine, than he himself make them.

Although he showed on several occasions last year, that he indeed could make plays if needed.

the 3rd down at philly on a short week being just one of the plays. but, being totally up against it after losing Jamaal Charles in the playoff game is the shining example.

RunKC · 06-07-2014, 02:10 PM

I would be in favor of seeing how he does this year. Look at the first half of the season at least.

If he doesn't want to do that, then he clearly doesn't have confidence in himself to keep it up.

**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I would be in favor of seeing how he does this year. Look at the first half of the season at least.

If he doesn't want to do that, then he clearly doesn't have confidence in himself to keep it up.

I don't think that Alex Smith cares either way. I think Alex Smith's agents care.

I think that a deal will get done before the season starts. Probably like a Cutler or Stafford deal, in the 3 year range.

RunKC · 06-07-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I don't think that Alex Smith cares either way. I think Alex Smith's agents care.

I think that a deal will get done before the season starts. Probably like a Cutler or Stafford deal, in the 3 year range.

I'd be okay with that for 3 years. I'm just curious who they want to take over in a few years.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-07-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I don't think that Alex Smith cares either way. I think Alex Smith's agents care.

I think that a deal will get done before the season starts. Probably like a Cutler or Stafford deal, in the 3 year range.

Probably 5 or 6 years so they can spread out the signing bonus.

**Mav** · 06-07-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I'd be okay with that for 3 years. I'm just curious who they want to take over in a few years.

Either Tyler, or Aaron?

06-05-2014, 10:28 PM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $622813	Paylor:How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s How Alex Smith’s next contract could be affected by Colin Kaepernick’s $126 million deal San Francisco’s Colin Kaepernick went out of his way Wednesday to thank current Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, the man whose job he usurped two years ago. “I don’t think I would be at this point so quickly if he hadn’t been such a great mentor to me and helped me along with things,” Kaepernick, 26, said after news broke about his six-year, $126 million contract extension. But it’s also easy to think Kaepernick may have returned the favor by setting the market for Smith, who is seeking a new deal of his own. “If I represented Alex Smith,” said former agent Joel Corry, “I’d be telling the Chiefs that my numbers on where the quarterback market is and will be going is correct.” Kaepernick’s extension is actually worth just $13 million guaranteed but includes roster bonuses that can push that number up. There are also de-escalators, according to media reports, and the contract is constructed in such a way that the 49ers could get out of the deal after a few years with minimal consequence. Corry said the Chiefs might push for a similar structure, citing Kaepernick as a reference, though he suspects Smith’s agent, Tom Condon, would never go for it. “If you ask me to take my agent hat off, I don’t think this deal is going to have any real impact on Alex Smith’s negotiation,” Corry said. “It’s two different (situations). The problem is, the Chiefs still aren’t going to want to want to pay him in that Matthew Stafford, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler range. He’s got the same problem Andy Dalton has.” Like Dalton, Cincinnati’s quarterback, Smith is generally regarded as a second-tier quarterback in the same class as Stafford, Romo and Cutler, who are all making around $18 million per season. That could prove to be a bit too rich for the Chiefs’ and Bengals’ liking, if that is indeed what Smith and Dalton — who will be free agents after the season — are asking for. Both teams also invested fifth-round draft picks in talented, developmental quarterbacks (Aaron Murray and A.J. McCarron) this year. “Anything over $15 million a year on the average and $35 million in guarantees, the Chiefs should not want to do,” Corry said. “The problem is there’s nobody (making that) because the middle class (of quarterbacks) is gone. Matt Sanchez got cut. Matt Schaub got cut. You really have no middle class.” This is one of the reasons the 49ers likely felt compelled to lock up Kaepernick, provided he can play well enough to keep the 49ers from extricating themselves from the deal. “They don’t have a viable option,” Corry said. “Once they traded (Smith) away, they were all in on Kaepernick. They were like, ‘You’re the guy, it’s your ball and run with it.’ ” Corry also noted that the 49ers could have waited a year to sign Kaepernick, but that might have cost them. “They ran the risk of him going out and being Joe Flacco, where they win a Super Bowl and then he’s asking to be the highest-paid player in the league,” Corry said. “That’s just kind of the game you have to play with quarterbacks. If you have one that’s young and has a lot of potential, even if he hasn’t reached it, you’re going to have to overpay him.” The Chiefs, on the other hand, may be willing to take their chances with Smith. Despite an 11-5 record last season, a tougher schedule and a younger supporting cast may conspire to make it difficult for Smith to duplicate his 2013 numbers, even with a respected offensive mind like Andy Reid calling the plays. “I would tell him: ‘You want that money? Go out and justify it through your play this year,’ ” Corry said. “I’d gamble with him on that one. If he goes out and lights it up, that’s a nice problem to have because then you could always franchise him.” Both the Chiefs and Smith have said there have been some discussions about a new contract. But Smith, who will make $7.5 million this season, has said he isn’t thinking about an extension and isn’t worried if he doesn’t get one before training camp starts. “Smith kind of has a little bit of leverage too because KC gave up two second-round picks for him and you really don’t want to see someone walk after giving up two second-round picks,” Corry said. “But I don’t think Kansas City is going to be persuaded to make a substantial bump in their offer based on Kaepernick’s deal.”
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Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4162912	I hope Alex makes bank just for the entertainment factor of watching the great and wise armchair GM's and QB's on this forum go into full on meltdown mode. Christ, its going to be **ing spectacular. Your tears are delicious, keep them coming along with your pathetic whines and moans. Fight. Its better when you fight. Oh, and should you lose consciousness from the stress of your oral diarrhea, Alex will still be here when you wake up. I do find it funny though, that while everyone loves to pile on with the Cyrus Gray play (Cyrus Gray shouldn't have even taken a ing snap in that game), nobody puts any blame on Dwayne Bowe for getting his big ass out-muscled, out-worked, and out-played by a little ass cornerback down the sideline on a fantastic throw by Alex Smith on 4th down that would have given us FG range, and likely the game. But hey, lets talk about how a guy not being where he's supposed to be on a timing route having nothing to do with the throw being incomplete, and its all on the QB to know that the receiver is going to plant his head firmly in his ass and slow down on what would be a td, so throw it shorter. **ing brilliant. __________________ She did not open her eyes this morning. I don't know what else to say.
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