What is the single biggest reason Chiefs have not won the SB

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Did you watch the Vermeil/Trent Green teams dumbshit?

Apparently not.

That entire offense was based around Priest Holmes.

The Chiefs entire passing game was based on playaction fakes from the threat of Priest Holmes.

If the threat of the running game was taken away, or if the Chiefs were down big and they couldn't run, the Chiefs struggled to throw the ball.

Priest Holmes was a great running back.

Let me say that again. Priest Holmes was a GREAT running back.

However, Trent Green DID throw for over 4000 yards in 2003, 2004, and 2005. Priest Holmes played just 8 games in 2004 and just 7 games in 2005, so I think you're overstating it just a bit.

Now if you want to say Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, you may have a point. But give Vermeil and Trent Green a little credit for making their offense work damn well with two different running backs.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Priest Holmes was a great running back.

Let me say that again. Priest Holmes was GREAT running back.

However, Trent Green DID throw for over 4000 yards in 2003, 2004, and 2005. Priest Holmes played just 8 games in 2004 and just 7 games in 2005, so I think you're overstating it just a bit.

Not totally. If you took away Priest and Tony Gonzalez the Chiefs were very beatable.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Not totally. If you took away Priest and Tony Gonzalez the Chiefs were very beatable.

OK, so now the theory is that if you took away Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez, the Chiefs offense would have sucked, and therefore Dick Vermeil and Trent Green were a couple of stiffs who deserve no credit at all, and they should get on their worthless knees and thank God for letting their worthless asses be associated with the awesomeness of Holmes, LJ and TG.

Got it.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

OK, so now the theory is that if you took away Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez, the Chiefs offense would have sucked, and therefore Dick Vermeil and Trent Green were a couple of stiffs who deserve no credit at all, and they should get on their worthless knees and thank God for letting their worthless asses be associated with the awesomeness of Holmes, LJ and TG.

Got it.

Because Johnnie Morton, Eddie Kennison and Marc Boerigter were guys you could count on with regularity.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Because Johnnie Morton, Eddie Kennison and Marc Boerigter were guys you could count on with regularity.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Not totally. If you took away Priest and Tony Gonzalez the Chiefs were very beatable.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Not totally. If you took away Priest and Tony Gonzalez the Chiefs were very beatable.

If you took away emmit smith and Michael Irvin, the 90s cowboys were very beatable too

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by ILChief

If you took away emmit smith and Michael Irvin, the 90s cowboys were very beatable too

Good point. According to some of the dumbasses around here, that means Troy Aikman was a shitty quarterback and Jimmy Johnson was a lousy coach.

[2bikemike]

Originally Posted by ILChief

If you took away emmit smith and Michael Irvin, the 90s cowboys were very beatable too

And Elway would have never won the big game without TD and the other Horseface

[Wallcrawler]

As bad as this is, I really feel like the Hunt family for a long time simply treated the Chiefs as purely a business, and their only concern was turning a profit and maintaining their bottom line.

Carl Peterson's dual role as both General Manager and President/CEO was proof of this. No organization that focuses on winning would do this. Carl was notorious for being unbearably cheap when it came to star player contracts, and sitting on his hands in free agency while all the top tier talent was taken by other teams willing to spend the money.

Carls job as President/CEO directly hamstrung anything he might have done as a general manager.

The Chiefs did enough to be competitive, and in the 90's were in the playoffs all the time. This resulted in sellout crowds at Arrowhead. Things accomplished in the previous season, guaranteed sellouts for next year. They rarely went out and got anyone above the caliber of bargain bin players.

The biggest indication of this was after the 13-3 season when the Chiefs had the dead last defense in every single statistical category, they did absolutely nothing in the offseason, despite having plenty of cap space. This was the season that saw guys like Jevon Kearse, and Terrell Owens hit the open market. But, the 13-3 success guaranteed sellouts next year, so they saved the cash and stole admission money from the fans during the following 7-9 campaign.

I really don't feel like the desire to win a championship was as strong as the desire to simply maintain the business aspect and keep making money. The Hunts do just enough to get their stadium full, and then hope for the best.

If the Chiefs do manage to win another Superbowl, it will likely be due to just dumb luck, and the stars aligning. It would likely be like one of those runs where the team goes 9-7, scrapes into the playoffs and just manages a string of wins to get it done. Its not going to be because Clark decided to go the route of a guy like Daniel Snyder and opened up the checkbook in an attempt to buy a championship.

I despise guys like Pat Bowlen and Jerry Jones, who paid guys under the table, but at the end of the day, their fans saw success. Back to Back titles, and in the case of Dallas, multiple championships.

We don't have that type of ownership. We have businessmen that own the Chiefs, not professional football talent evaluators in terms of players, coaches, scouts, and managers. They can get the money aspect right, and not much else.

As long as this remains constant, the Hunts will continue to make money off of us desperate Chiefs loyalists who each and every year hope that this year will be different. And each and every year the result will be one of two things.

Crushing loss in round 1 of the playoffs at best, and an abysmal season at worst.

We as Chiefs fans are all of us, every single one of us, insane. The definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same action, again and again and expecting to see a different outcome from the last one.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Did you watch the Vermeil/Trent Green teams dumbshit?

Apparently not.

That entire offense was based around Priest Holmes.

The Chiefs entire passing game was based on playaction fakes from the threat of Priest Holmes.

If the threat of the running game was taken away, or if the Chiefs were down big and they couldn't run, the Chiefs struggled to throw the ball.

Originally Posted by Brainiac

However, Trent Green DID throw for over 4000 yards in 2003, 2004, and 2005. Priest Holmes played just 8 games in 2004 and just 7 games in 2005, so I think you're overstating it just a bit.

Now if you want to say Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, you may have a point. But give Vermeil and Trent Green a little credit for making their offense work damn well with two different running backs.

Don't point out truth to this moron. There is a reason that his rep is disabled. His idiocy on the planet is widely known.