Cardinals ***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.*** - Page 47

**BigRedChief** · 05:00 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

**BigRedChief** · 12-04-2015, 11:02 AM

What the hell has Sammy Sosa done to himself?

DJ's left nut · 12-04-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Some questions I have about STL:
Matt Adams. I've seen some Sox fans that wana swap LaRoche for him. Now I don't know what the value of Adams. But it was a curious idea.

How is my boy Yaddy doing? I've always love Yadier Molina since he first came in the league, he and CarGo are my favorite non White Sox players.

How healthy is Matt Holiday going to be for this season?

Thanks

I'd move on from Adams, but I wouldn't bother giving LaRoche a roster spot, let alone paying him for it. He took a year or two longer to hit a wall than expected, but he hit it with a hell of a lot of force last year. Coming into his age 36 season and owed $13 million next year? Yuck - he's all yours. I'd keep Adams as a bench bat over LaRoche.

Yadi's aging quickly because we never bothered to find a backup C that would take the miles off him. His days as a plus hitter are likely over so you're looking at a catch and throw guy with decent bat control and that's about it. That said, he's still a difference maker. Hopefully Pena being on board will be enough to keep him healthy through October.

As for Holliday, the old guys get injured more often and for longer. Holliday has historically been amazingly durable, but he started to have muscle/soft tissue injuries last year and that's a bad sign. He didn't get hurt fouling a ball off his foot...he got hurt in a manner that wouldn't have happened to him 3 years ago. It's hard to count on him being truly 'healthy' ever again. If you expect about 400 ABs from him this season, you'll probably be in the ballpark.

Marco Polo · 12-04-2015, 04:32 PM

Lackey signs two year deal with Cubs. Cards get their 1st round pick. I like it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-04-2015, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Lackey signs two year deal with Cubs. Cards get their 1st round pick. I like it.

jd1020 · 12-04-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Lackey signs two year deal with Cubs. Cards get their 1st round pick. I like it.

They dont exactly get the Cubs 1st round pick.

They get a compensation pick that comes after the 1st round.

DJ's left nut · 12-04-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Lackey signs two year deal with Cubs. Cards get their 1st round pick. I like it.

Technically I think we just get a comp pick and they forfeit their pick (we don't actually step into their shoes, IIRC).

But yeah, a dirt cheap year of innings, salary relief and a first rounder. I hated that deal at the time but Moe came out of that one looking pretty damn good.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-04-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

They dont exactly get the Cubs 1st round pick.

They get a compensation pick that comes after the 1st round.

And you give up yours.

jd1020 · 12-04-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And you give up yours.

Ya but they'll get one back when Fowler signs so its a wash.

George Liquor · 12-04-2015, 05:04 PM

16 mil a year for Lackey?

Yeesh

jd1020 · 12-04-2015, 05:05 PM

I figured Lackey would have only fetched a high 20's contract. Got a little feel of overpaid here, but its only 2 years and the Cubs pitching prospects will hopefully be knocking on the door by that time. Still would like to see them make a trade for a younger controlled high upside pitcher to put #4 and push Hammel out of the rotation and possibly trade him.

DJ's left nut · 12-04-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23

16 mil a year for Lackey?

Yeesh

Short term so the AAV doesn't surprise me.

I am surprised, however, that a team was willing to give up a first rounder for only 2 years of control. If you can get a guy for 4 years, the first rounder isn't that big of a deal. But man, that's a fair amount of opportunity cost when you're just getting 2 seasons out of the pickup.

I'm surprised at the length more than anything. I figured he'd end up at something like 3/$39.

oldandslow · 12-04-2015, 05:23 PM

First round pick for two years control is insanity...

Having said that, screw the Scrubs.

I hope Lackey goes 2-15.

**BigRedChief** · 12-04-2015, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Technically I think we just get a comp pick and they forfeit their pick (we don't actually step into their shoes, IIRC).

But yeah, a dirt cheap year of innings, salary relief and a first rounder. I hated that deal at the time but Moe came out of that one looking pretty damn good.

Yep, Mo made out like a bandit on that trade.

jd1020 · 12-04-2015, 05:38 PM

The Cubs have been rumored to be willing to trade Soler for pitching, like Miller/Teheran from the Braves. I wonder if this signing changes that from the angle of having to give up their top 2 picks if they were to sign Heyward/Gordon to replace him. If it's Heyward they sign it probably still makes sense given his age but I question if it's Gordon.

jd1020 · 12-04-2015, 06:30 PM

Rumors out there saying the Cardinals are shifting focus to Jeff Samardzija. I was kind of hoping the Cubs would sign him given his past history on the Cubs. He could have fit well in the rotation as the #3, if he started pitching good again. But his agent is claiming to have a $100 million contract offer in hand. I can only imagine if that's true its a 6 year contract. **** that.

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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7032645	I figured Lackey would have only fetched a high 20's contract. Got a little feel of overpaid here, but its only 2 years and the Cubs pitching prospects will hopefully be knocking on the door by that time. Still would like to see them make a trade for a younger controlled high upside pitcher to put #4 and push Hammel out of the rotation and possibly trade him.
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oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3773149	First round pick for two years control is insanity... Having said that, screw the Scrubs. I hope Lackey goes 2-15.
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12-04-2015, 05:38 PM	#704
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7032645	The Cubs have been rumored to be willing to trade Soler for pitching, like Miller/Teheran from the Braves. I wonder if this signing changes that from the angle of having to give up their top 2 picks if they were to sign Heyward/Gordon to replace him. If it's Heyward they sign it probably still makes sense given his age but I question if it's Gordon.
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12-04-2015, 06:30 PM	#705
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7032645	Rumors out there saying the Cardinals are shifting focus to Jeff Samardzija. I was kind of hoping the Cubs would sign him given his past history on the Cubs. He could have fit well in the rotation as the #3, if he started pitching good again. But his agent is claiming to have a $100 million contract offer in hand. I can only imagine if that's true its a 6 year contract. **** that.
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