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Old 02-17-2013, 02:39 AM  
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Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?
We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread.

I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins.

He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years.

58.9% comp | 7,920 yards pass | 40 passing TDs | 29 INTS | 1,447 rush yards | 22 rushing TDs |

Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:12 PM   #841
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Then how come Alex has one playoff win in 3 seasons?
Better winning % than Matt Ryan, Stafford, Cutler, Romo, Roeth, Eli over the last 5 years

Clay, is that you? Fail harder.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:12 PM   #842
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No it's not. We see very good defenses win the SB all the time. Denver, NYG, Steelers, Pats, Seahawks. Even the Ravens were good.
Denver might have the best defense of all time.

The other teams all have capable franchise quarterbacks that could rack up points if their defense faltered.

Remember, even New England had to win a shoot out against that elite Seattle D last year.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:13 PM   #843
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It's a little intellectually dishonest to shit on Cam just because he lost a Super Bowl.

As he said, they will definitely be back. Especially once they get Kelvin Benjamin healthy. They have almost no one important hitting free agency until 2017.
Yea they'll definitely be back. Except next time we'll see Cam's tantrums mid-season rather than in the last game of the year.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:14 PM   #844
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Better winning % than Matt Ryan, Stafford, Cutler, Romo, Roeth, Eli over the last 5 years

Clay, is that you? Fail harder.

Against legit teams or losing teams with third string quarterbacks?

Remember, before playing that awful stretch this year they were 1-5 against legit competition.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:15 PM   #845
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Denver might have the best defense of all time.

The other teams all have capable franchise quarterbacks that could rack up points if their defense faltered.

Remember, even New England had to win a shoot out against that elite Seattle D last year.
Tom Brady and Bif Ben were not franchise QB's when they won their first SB.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:15 PM   #846
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Then how come Alex has one playoff win in 3 seasons?
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:16 PM   #847
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Tom Brady and Bif Ben were not franchise QB's when they won their first SB.


And I'm saying we don't have a good enough defense to carry our offense.

With our d we are going to need something more than a game manager.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:18 PM   #848
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Denver might have the best defense of all time.

The other teams all have capable franchise quarterbacks that could rack up points if their defense faltered.

Remember, even New England had to win a shoot out against that elite Seattle D last year.
Seattle walked into that game limping: Sherman, Earl, and Chancellor played with serious injuries that makes Justin Houston's knee look like a hang nail. Let's not forget history.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:19 PM   #849
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Tom Brady and Bif Ben were not franchise QB's when they won their first SB.
Yup. They were practically game managers.

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Seattle walked into that game limping: Sherman, Earl, and Chancellor played with serious injuries that makes Justin Houston's knee look like a hang nail. Let's not forget history.

Sometimes you're going to have to put up points in the playoffs to win Super Bowls.

It's idiotic to think you MUST build an elite defense to win it all.
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Charles, Tamba and Houston were basically not available in any of the Chiefs playoff games under this regime.

You don't think that matters?
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Broncos gained the fewest yards of any SB winner. I believe they had the fewest first downs as well.

You don't think this team has a good shot next year if we lock our defense guys up and add to it?
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Charles, Tamba and Houston were basically not available in any of the Chiefs playoff games under this regime.

You don't think that matters?

Yes it matters.

But even then we were 1-5 against solid competition. Legit offenses like Cinci and GB were putting up big numbers against our healthy defense.
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Sometimes you're going to have to put up points in the playoffs to win Super Bowls.

It's idiotic to think you MUST build an elite defense to win it all.
With our current offense, an elite defense would make us perennial contenders.
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Broncos gained the fewest yards of any SB winner. I believe they had the fewest first downs as well.

You don't think this team has a good shit next year if we lock our defense guys up and add to it?
No, but maybe a shot.
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