***Official 2016 STL Cardinals Thread***

[BigRedChief]

• 2011 World Series Championship
• 2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
• 2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
• 2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
• 2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.
• Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
• 67 post season wins since 2004. 24+ wins more than any other team.

SI article on our off season, Gives us a "A". ??:
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/02/12/win...ouis-cardinals

2015 III thread:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=295296
2015 II thread:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=293412
2015 I thread:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=289085

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No surprise here. Best quote of the night goes to John Lackey. On Heyward: "I've seen booed. That ain't booed."

— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) April 19, 2016

To be fair there seemed to be a lot of blue in the stadium. Then again, it's not like Heyward was Ellsbury going to NY, he was only there for 1 year.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Cards may end up again tops in NL pitching again, but still can't hit, and had no idea they couldn't field. Gonna be a long, painful season.

[Snapplez]

BFIB

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...6853?cid=bitly

[DJ's left nut]

Wait....so if you put 45,000 people in an area, some of them are going to be idiots? Go !@#$ing figure.

Good on the Cards fans for booing the guy. His sub-.200 BA is just Heyward being Heyward but I'm sure he'll have yet another excuse for it. He always has an excuse for his struggles.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Wait....so if you put 45,000 people in an area, some of them are going to be idiots? Go !@#$ing figure.

Good on the Cards fans for booing the guy.

That sucks that some idiots had to go there. I don't think its Representative of the fan base but it reflects poorly on us all.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

That sucks that some idiots had to go there. I don't think its Representative of the fan base but it reflects poorly on us all.

Remember that the next time you call Trump voters representative of Republicans...

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Remember that the next time you call Trump voters representative of Republicans...

Lets leave politics out of this baseball thread. We got a good thing going. Let's not **** it up.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

That sucks that some idiots had to go there. I don't think its Representative of the fan base but it reflects poorly on us all.

I also don't think those classless ****tards at www.northsidebaseball.com represent the baby bear fan base, but those people walk amongst us.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

So yeah DJ and I were spot on about Heyturd

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

So yeah DJ and I were spot on about Heyturd

???

His whole career shows he starts slow at the plate to begin the year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

[O.city]

If they end up sucking and would be interested, would you put a package with reyes together for arenado?

Prefaced with the fact that I have no clue about his situation in colorado, only remember him not being happy with the way they did tulo

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they end up sucking and would be interested, would you put a package with reyes together for arenado?

Prefaced with the fact that I have no clue about his situation in colorado, only remember him not being happy with the way they did tulo

Yeah.

The list of guys I'd trade Reyes for is fairly short, but Arenado's on it.

But the Cards and a whole lot of teams with more 'tradeable' farm systems than we have would all be in on him. The Cards best long-term assets are still far away. And if you want to start digging, even teams full of guys that are that far off have guys with higher ceilings.

For instance, Boston's farm system is largely a fair distance away as well. That said, Moncada, Benitendi and Devers are a hell of a lot more attractive than what we could offer. You have to think the Bosox would give up Devers (Arenado replacement), Moncada and Espinoza in a heartbeat to get someone like Arenado in the fold.

It's just a shitty reality the Cards find themselves in. Teams above them and below them are probably better situated going forward. The Cards are going to be stuck in the middle for the foreseeable future.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah.

The list of guys I'd trade Reyes for is fairly short, but Arenado's on it.

I wonder if they'd be interested in moving him.

Either that or trade our entire farm system for Harper and then left him walk in free agency.

Who's the short list you'd move him for?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I wonder if they'd be interested in moving him.

Either that or trade our entire farm system for Harper and then left him walk in free agency.

Who's the short list you'd move him for?

How realistic we talking here?

Hitters: Trout, Harper, Goldschmidt, Machado, Arenado, Correa, Stanton, Bryant, Rizzo, Betts. In other words, if you're older than 27, ya ain't on the list.

Pitchers: Kershaw, Sale, Bumgarner, Fernandez, Syndergaard

There are a few borderline guys as well that I'd consider but I also know damn well that I won't get anywhere near that kind of value for him nor should I. Probably the best pull you could get for Reyes right now would be Danny Salazar and even that is probably optimistic. And Salazar's trade value is somewhere in the Jorge Soler range; probably a little better than that but not a ton.

But the problem is that we just aren't going to beat the Cubs by trying to out-Cub them. The only way we'll do it is to stack the rotation and the only way that's going to happen is if Reyes is the ace his stuff says he could be.

If he isn't, we're boned either way.

In other words, I'd never be able to put a trade together for him because he's just too important to what this team needs to do to try to win. Dealing him for a good player (not a great one) makes us more likely to be a .550 team instead of a .500 team but who really gives a shit if it makes you a one and done team in October?

Gimme the staff with power arms and I'll see if I can't sneak into the WC role and try to steal a series here and there.