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View Poll Results: What's your answer at QB?
I'd throw $90m to $100m at Kirk Cousins. 12 10.08%
Brian Hoyer 0 0%
Mike Glennon 0 0%
Ryan Fitzpatrick 1 0.84%
Geno Smith 3 2.52%
Retain Nick Foles 26 21.85%
Trade half of the next two drafts to go up and get DeShaun Watson. 25 21.01%
Trade half of the next two drafts to go up and get Mitch Tribusky. 8 6.72%
Trade half of the next two drafts to go up and get DeShone Kizer. 8 6.72%
Patrick Mahomes II in round 2. 24 20.17%
Brad Kaaya in Round 3. 3 2.52%
Trade a high pick and/or shell out $$$ for Tony Romo. 6 5.04%
Trade a high pick and/or shell out $$$ for Philip Rivers. 18 15.13%
Cut/trade Alex Smith. 29 24.37%
I don't really know. 30 25.21%
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:44 PM  
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Alright, so WHO do you replace Alex with?
I'm in favor like everybody else on this board (and 85% of the NFL) of upgrading at QB.

But there is nobody to do that with.

It's easy to say it should be done.

Which of these steps are you willing to take?

Poll coming.
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:19 AM   #211
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Some people think he is just as good as Smith and would be cheaper.

Even if he's as good as Smith, Foles has a $10 million dollar clause in his contract that pretty much forces the Chiefs to renegotiate his deal. Foles won't be cheap next year unless the FA market forces him to be cheap.

Mostly it's just the nuts who think Smith is terrible and want anyone but him.
Foles still has upside. Foles could play lights out and be a commodity worth hanging onto long-term even if you draft a QB. Reminiscent of the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers deal a while back. Difference is, if that happens now the team would either franchise/trade (rather than let him walk) or hang onto the guy depending on your confidence in your drafted QB. Alex Smith is what he is and that isn't going to change. If Foles isn't lights out, he's at least going to be able to duplicate what Smith does while your youngster learns. Cut ties with your weakest option. Trading Smith gives the chiefs 1 million less cap relief than cutting Foles, so its hardly a financial issue.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:27 AM   #212
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Link to the tantrum I threw?

I pretty much threw my arms up and said, "Whatever. Enjoy your slight upgrade over Matt Cassel, Chiefs."
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:30 AM   #213
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Also, it perfectly encapsulates the impotent rage of ChiefsPlanet that their most popular ideas of how to improve at QB is to "get rid of Smith," followed by "I have no idea."
You ever had a hankering for a nice soda beverage so you go to McDonald's and order a large drink and they fill the whole ****ing thing with ice? That's how we feel here at CP with the Chiefs.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:30 AM   #214
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We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:43 AM   #215
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After his first 36 starts, Alex Smith had a 32-38 TD-INT ratio and a 69 QB rating and a 13-23 record.

He improved to "second only to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers" 100 starts later.

But Nick Foles, who is standing at 56-27/88.1/20-16 in the same categories...can't improve.

Just admit you have an unhealthy obsession with game managers.
If only the entire world existed in a vacuum.

You want to post Matt Flynn's numbers next?
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:02 AM   #216
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The reality of Alex Smith at QB is better than the constant bitching about it.

The team seems to have done everything they could to produce a winner.

I will gladly take the Dorsey years over the Pioli years. At least we keep getting better.

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Old 01-19-2017, 10:36 AM   #217
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We've all seen how the movie ends with Smith at QB and there's no doubt that he's declining.

IMO, the Chiefs should renegotiate Foles contract to something like 3 years, $22 million ($7 million or so per), then do whatever it takes to draft Mahomes, whether it's giving up all of their Comp Picks or a pick next year along with their #1 this year.

After the draft, trade or release Alex Smith. Go into TC with Foles and Mahomes as the #1 & #2, with Bray or someone else competing for the #3 spot.

At this point, after seeing Foles against Indy and Jax, while spending a full year with Reid, Nagy and Childress, I don't know how his performance would differ from another season of Alex Smith.

It's time to ****ing move on.

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Old 01-19-2017, 11:03 AM   #218
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Smith played the same way he has all season in the Playoffs. I think the homers were waiting for him to "flip the switch", and it didn't happen. Now they are coming into the light.

Alex isn't a terrible QB, but you could pay any Rookie QB to come in and make Low Risk 3 yard passes and bubble screens and end up with a minimal amount of INT's and possibly a good Win % as long as the defense keeps the game in reach (like they have for most of Smith's tenure).
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:12 PM   #219
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Foles still has upside. Foles could play lights out and be a commodity worth hanging onto long-term even if you draft a QB. Reminiscent of the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers deal a while back. Difference is, if that happens now the team would either franchise/trade (rather than let him walk) or hang onto the guy depending on your confidence in your drafted QB. Alex Smith is what he is and that isn't going to change. If Foles isn't lights out, he's at least going to be able to duplicate what Smith does while your youngster learns. Cut ties with your weakest option. Trading Smith gives the chiefs 1 million less cap relief than cutting Foles, so its hardly a financial issue.
Cutting Smith might save 1 million in cap money but it doesn't recoup money already spent to Smith that would have to be spent again for Foles. We will have to give Foles a new contract if we keep him which means a new signing bonus and up-front money. A 5-year deal or some general long term commitment when we've already done that with Alex Smith and our commitment to Smith is almost over. I've yet to see anything from Foles to suggest is a big enough upgrade over Smith to warrant a new long-term commitment.

We don't know that Foles can duplicate what Smith did, he certainly didn't appear to be able to when he started for us a game this year.

Keep Smith for another year, draft a replacement.

We should have been pushing for Alex Smith's replacement as soon as we acquired him.

Sorry, but Reid is content with Smith or we would have been displayed more urgency in drafting a replacement for him.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:17 PM   #220
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If only the entire world existed in a vacuum.

You want to post Matt Flynn's numbers next?
Matt Flynn has 7 career starts. Makes no sense that you would compare him to Foles.

You want move forward at the QB position, save money, and see what you have on the roster so you can make a decision in 2018? Cut Smith, start Foles.

You want to tread water and pay through the nose to do so? Stand pat.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:21 PM   #221
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Cutting Smith might save 1 million in cap money
If the Chiefs give Alex Smith a Post-June 1 Designation, they save $13,300,000 in Cap Space while creating $3.6 million in Dead Money for a Total Cap Clearance of $9.7 million dollars.

They can easily move on from him.

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We will have to give Foles a new contract if we keep him which means a new signing bonus and up-front money.
Foles is under contract for 2017 at $10.75 million. There is absolutely no reason to give him a new signing bonus or upfront money unless they want to extend him while their developmental QB is preparing to start.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:34 PM   #222
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A 7th round 2nd year player put up similar stats to Alex Smith this year.

I'm pretty sure they could cut him and get atleast 80 percent of his production from a rookie cheap QB.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:34 PM   #223
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Garapolo or Mahomes.

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A 7th round 2nd year player put up similar stats to Alex Smith this year.

I'm pretty sure they could cut him and get atleast 80 percent of his production from a rookie cheap QB.
The missing 20%?

Setting up the punter, and Hidden TD's.
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The missing 20%?

Setting up the punter, and Hidden TD's.
I guess.

I don't really get why some are against it. It would allow you to put better players around said QB while he develops. Basically, what Seattle did.
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