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Old 01-18-2017, 09:11 PM  
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The First Round QB
OK, everyone knows it is beyond ridiculous that the Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in round 1 since Todd Blackledge in 1983. As much as I love Derrick Johnson, I can't look at him without thinking of Aaron Rodgers. That got me thinking, how many first round QB's have the other teams taken in that time span? Has every other team taken multiple first round QBs since 1983? Well, here is the breakdown:

Patriots: Drew Bledsoe (93)
Bills: JP Losman (04), EJ Manuel (13)
Jets: Chad Pennington (00), Mark Sanchez (09)
Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill (12)

Steelers: Ben Roethlisberger (04)
Bengals: David Klingler (92), Akili Smith (99), Carson Palmer (03)
Old Browns/Ravens: Kyle Boller (03), Joe Flacco (08)
New Browns: Tim Couch (99), Brady Quinn (07), Branden Weeden (12), Johnny Manziel (14)

Texans: David Carr (02)
Oilers/Titans: Jim Everett (86), Steve McNair (94), Vince Young (06), Jake Locker (11), Marcus Mariota (15)
Jaguars: Byron Leftwich (03), Blaine Gabbert (11), Blake Bortles (14)
Colts: Jeff George (90), Peyton Manning (98), Andrew Luck (12)

Broncos: Tommy Maddox (92), Jay Cutler (06), Tim Tebow (10), Paxton Lynch (16)
Raiders: Todd Marinovich (91), Jamarcus Russell (07)
Chargers: Ryan Leaf (98), Philip Rivers (04)

Cowboys: Troy Aikman (89)
Eagles: Donovan McNabb (99), Carson Wentz (16)
Giants: Eli Manning (04)
Redskins: Heath Shuler (94), Patrick Ramsey (02), Jason Campbell (05), Robert Griffin III (12)

Packers: Aaron Rodgers (05)
Bears: Jim Harbaugh (87), Cade McNown (99), Rex Grossman (03)
Vikings: Daunte Culpepper (99), Christian Ponder (11), Teddy Bridgewater (14)
Lions: Chuck Long (86), Andre Ware (90), Joey Harrington (02), Matt Stafford (09)

Panthers: Kerry Collins (94), Cam Newton (11)
Bucs: Vinny Testaverde (87), Trent Dilfer (94), Josh Freeman (09), Jameis Winston (15)
Saints: None
Falcons: Chris Miller (87), Michael Vick (01), Matt Ryan (08)

49ers: Jim Druckenmiller (97), Alex Smith (05)
Seahawks: Dan McGwire (91), Rick Mirer (93)
Rams: Sam Bradford (10), Jared Goff (16)
Cardinals: Kelly Stouffer (87), Matt Leinart (06)

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The Saints are the only other team to not draft a first round QB in that time (although they have had a franchise QB for a decade plus so they haven't really needed one)

The teams that have only drafted one QB in that time frame have all had a franchise QB for an extended period (except the Texans and they are a new team)

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Old 01-19-2017, 09:26 PM   #76
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If you don't have a QB...just take one..just do it...do it...you won't regret it.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:26 PM   #77
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If the Chiefs had just drafted the next QB taken with their first 1st round pick every year for the last 15 years they would have had:

Drew Brees (traded pick for Green instad)
Matt Schaub (Junior Siavii)
Aaron Rodgers (Derrick Johnson)
Joe Flacco (Glenn Dorsey)
Andy Dalton (Jon Baldwin)
Teddy Bridgewater (Dee Ford)

If you don't have a QB...just take one..just do it...do it...you won't regret it.
I believe Derek Carr would have also been an option instead of Dee Ford.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:32 PM   #78
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Alex Smith is an above average QB.
Every year he has been here - EVERY SINGLE YEAR - the offense has been BELOW AVERAGE in total yards, passing yards, yards per completion, third down conversation percentage, passing first downs and touchdown passes.

This season, you can add red zone TD percentage and offensive points per game to that list.

He is a below average QB. The only thing that makes people think he isn't is the lack of turnovers.

That just makes him a scared QB. Not a good one, and not above average.

He's a below average QB who is getting worse.

That's not good for this franchise. He is a ticking time bomb.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:33 PM   #79
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I believe Derek Carr would have also been an option instead of Dee Ford.
Hind sight is 20/20. All 32 teams decided he wasn't worth a 1st round pick, so it is hard to blame the Chiefs for passing him up in the 1st.
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Every year he has been here - EVERY SINGLE YEAR - the offense has been BELOW AVERAGE in total yards, passing yards, yards per completion, third down conversation percentage, passing first downs and touchdown passes.

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So? There are lots of reasons for those stats, they don't show the whole picture. I am certain that most NFL FOs consider him better than average. Only simpletons like you (draft ANY QB in the 1st regardless of whether they are good or not? WTF?) see it otherwise, so I'm pretty confident in my viewpoint.
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Matt Schaub is the worst QB on that list and he once threw for nearly 5000 yards and 30 TD.

Chiefs fans would have thought he was the second coming of Dan Marino.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:44 PM   #82
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Alex Smith is an above average QB. He is a good QB. He is not a great QB, but as you said all we need is a good one. The truth is that if Kelse catches that long pass we win. If Houston isn't covering Brown on the long completion we win. If Reid calls more runs we probably win. If Fisher doesn't hold we might have won. And true, if Smith sees Hill running free we win. But Smith played well enough to win. There are a lot of reasons besides Alex Smith that we lost.

Blaming the QB when so many on the team failed is simplistic.
While I agree with most of what you said, Alex Smith also missed his share of plays himself. He is part of the problem.

Andy Reid is also a part of the issue that many underestimate.

Houston was put in deep cover twice by that idiot Sutton.

If Houston even shows up a little it would have helped dramatically. Once again when it comes to the playoff Houston is nowhere to be found. Only Ford manage to get any pass rush from the outside and that was very little.

Steeler's Oline was better than our Dline. Everyone continues to talk about how great Jones,Poe,Houston,Roche etc are and yet I didn't see much impact against the steelers. LB's were soft as shit.

The entire team is still soft, that shows up in the playoffs when the other teams are good. Good playoff teams don't generally give the game away by committing mistakes. We lived off the opponent's mistakes all year, just like the Schottenheimer teams.

We simply aren't good enough anywhere, not just one position. We don't have a single area of the team that is super bowl worthy ... including our coaching.
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So? There are lots of reasons for those stats, they don't show the whole picture. I am certain that most NFL FOs consider him better than average. Only simpletons like you (draft ANY QB in the 1st regardless of whether they are good or not? WTF?) see it otherwise, so I'm pretty confident in my viewpoint.
Riiiiigggghhhttt.
I'm sure those stats like passing yards, passing first downs, passing td's, passing etc. have nothing to do with the guy who is throwing (or not throwing) every single pass related to them. Probably doesn't matter that the ball is in his hands on EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE PLAY IN THE GAME.
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So? There are lots of reasons for those stats, they don't show the whole picture.
The #1 reason: he is Alex Smith.

Alex Smith has NEVER had a season where he was above average in any of those categories.

NEVER.
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Matt Schaub is the worst QB on that list and he once threw for nearly 5000 yards and 30 TD.

Chiefs fans would have thought he was the second coming of Dan Marino.
You just screwed up your own argument.

Shaub is the worst QB on the list .......... he threw for 5k/30td

If Shaub was in this offense he wouldn't have thrown for 5k/30td.

Smith threw for 3,500 yards this year in an offense that was goofy as shit.
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The #1 reason: he is Alex Smith.

Alex Smith has NEVER had a season where he was above average in any of those categories.

NEVER.
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If Shaub was in this offense he wouldn't have thrown for 5k/30td.
I find that hard to believe considering he did that on a Texans team that had Andre Johnson and a bunch of scabs on offense.

Kevin Walter? Owen Daniels? Steve Slaton? Jacoby Jones?

Trash compared to our skill position players.
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I find that hard to believe considering he did that on a Texans team that had Andre Johnson and a bunch of scabs on offense.

Kevin Walter? Owen Daniels? Steve Slaton? Jacoby Jones?

Trash compared to our skill position players.
shaub became predictable and fragile. i would never take shaub over alex. so there is that
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Seems like a good possibility. Seems like him. same stupid ideas, same citing fantasy stats to make his moronic points.
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shaub became predictable and fragile. i would never take shaub over alex. so there is that
That's a complete unobjective opinion.

Schaub's worst full season was better than Smith's best full season.
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