49ers ILB Reuben Foster arrested for possession of marijuana

[Ash]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Post 38 should be more than plenty to suffice.

Post 38 is a load of objective morality BS. You have no evidence for your invisible friend so I don't care what you think he wants. That is the problem with fundamentalism. If you are hoisting up a morality that you want to promulgate as being absolute your evidence had better be good.

Also there are parts of your Iron age comic book that contradict your position.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food:
Genesis 1:29 ASV

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Ash

Post 38 is a load of objective morality BS.

And yet as an atheist yourself you have no substantive rebuttal to Ravi Zacharias statement below. Nor will you be able to either. You can't have it both ways my friend.

"When you say there's too much evil in this world you assume there's good. When you assume there's good, you assume there's such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But if you assume a moral law, you must posit a moral Law Giver, but that's Who you're trying to disprove and not prove. Because if there's no moral Law Giver, there's no moral law. If there's no moral law, there's no good. If there's no good, there's no evil. What is your question?"

—Ravi Zacharias

Originally Posted by Ash

You have no evidence for your invisible friend so I don't care what you think he wants. That is the problem with fundamentalism. If you are hoisting up a morality that you want to promulgate as being absolute your evidence had better be good.

I don't know of any better evidence than the life of Jesus my friend. He either was a Liar, Lunatic or truly the Lord. There is no evidence that he ever lied or was a raving lunatic. Therefore.......

C.S. Lewis described the inherent foolishness of claiming Christ as nothing more than a good teacher in his book Mere Christianity. He wrote:

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

Liar, lunatic, or Lord. Those are the only options to consider when it comes to determining the truth about Christ.

All he did was heal the sick/blind, feed the masses from 5 loaves and 2 fish, turn water into wine, walk on water, raise others from the dead, and resurrected from the dead himself.

Secularists since the death/resurrection of Jesus have been attempting to disprove everything about Jesus(His existence, His miracles, His death/resurrection) but to no avail.

Originally Posted by Ash

Also there are parts of your Iron age comic book that contradict your position.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food:
Genesis 1:29 ASV

Really ? I think you forgot Genesis 3 where the 'fall of man" took place. You know where "original sin" entered the world corrupting man and the creation of the world God provided man to enjoy in purity and not in a high/drunken state. Would have been interesting for sure to see how cannabis would have been enjoyed in its pure and uncorrupted state. Don't you think?

Yes I know, you don't believe the Bible and the GOE account of 'original sin' and was just symbolic thus allegory and it never literally happened. But here again, I lead you back to Jesus who mentions 'Adam' who mentions 'Abel' who also mentions Noah(for those who also don't believe the great flood). If Jesus IS who He say's He is (The Son of God) then you better take heed and honestly find out for yourself who Jesus really was and still IS because eternity of your soul depends on it.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

All he did was heal the sick/blind, feed the masses from 5 loaves and 2 fish, turn water into wine, walk on water, raise others from the dead, and resurrected from the dead himself.



Really ? I think you forgot Genesis 3 where the 'fall of man" took place. [I][U]You know where "original sin" entered the world corrupting man and the creation of the world God provided man to enjoy in purity and not in a high/drunken state. Would have been interesting for sure to see how cannabis would have been enjoyed in its pure and uncorrupted state. Don't you think?

So, when a wedding runs out of wine, because they drank it all, and Jesus performs said miracle to make more, he is corrupting the purity of the world by providing the means to enjoy it in a drunken state?

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

So, when a wedding runs out of wine, because they drank it all, and Jesus performs said miracle to make more, he is corrupting the purity of the world by providing the means to enjoy it in a drunken state?

Your 2 assumptions here that the world is pure and Jesus corrupts are false.

The world was already corrupt by "original sin" by the time God becomes incarnate in the person of Jesus. Jesus cannot corrupt because He is God therefore He is sinless and perfect. Remember God gives freewill to man to choose. And nowhere in the Bible does God say you cannot drink wine/ETOH. The Bible/God clearly states though do not get drunk with wine/ETOH. Therefore because Jesus turned the water into wine, he was being gracious and generous providing a beverage that the wedding party/guests desired with their food that had run out. If the guests chose(freewill) to get drunk then that is on them in their own sin.