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[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You are not smart.

Box safeties are found every year for a hell of a lot cheaper than what Landon Collins is going to cost

If you pay him that, he better be a hell of a lot. Ore than a guy that plays around the line of scrimmage

You could literally get 80% of that production for like 15% of the price elsewhere

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by O.city

Box safeties are found every year for a hell of a lot cheaper than what Landon Collins is going to cost

If you pay him that, he better be a hell of a lot. Ore than a guy that plays around the line of scrimmage

You could literally get 80% of that production for like 15% of the price elsewhere

I swear to god a bunch of you don't watch football, or have no idea what you're looking at when you do.

There are not safeties found every year that impact a game like Landon Collins does. What the **** position do you think Berry has played most of his career?

SS cover TE's, close off slant routes in zone coverages, and yes, play run support. All things we were laughably bad at, yet you guys think a guy that maybe gets 3 or 4 INT's all year is more impactful?

Are you all the same guys that insisted Marcus Peters is an elite corner because turnovers? You guys STILL think so?

No man. There is so much to a good defensive team that just measuring SACKS or just measuring INT's as your whole concept of a player's worth is dumb.

It's the equivalent of a slow, plodding, shitty defensive first baseman that hit 30 home runs....but hit .220. So he ****s your team several different ways, but holy shit, did you see that homer?!

It's dumb.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I swear to god a bunch of you don't watch football, or have no idea what you're looking at when you do.

There are not safeties found every year that impact a game like Landon Collins does. What the **** position do you think Berry has played most of his career?

SS cover TE's, close off slant routes in zone coverages, and yes, play run support. All things we were laughably bad at, yet you guys think a guy that maybe gets 3 or 4 INT's all year is more impactful?

Are you all the same guys that insisted Marcus Peters is an elite corner because turnovers? You guys STILL think so?

No man. There is so much to a good defensive team that just measuring SACKS or just measuring INT's as your whole concept of a player's worth is dumb.

It's the equivalent of a slow, plodding, shitty defensive first baseman that hit 30 home runs....but hit .220. So he ****s your team several different ways, but holy shit, did you see that homer?!

It's dumb.

A free safety that can play center field and take the ball away is more impactful than the best in the box safety. Yes. Not really debatable.

A prime Earl Thomas is going to be more impactful than a prime Landon Collins.

Collins is a really good player. A potential all pro player.

But as we just saw multiple teams do last year with the free agent safety class, you can go get a guy that may not be as good as Landon, for a hell of alot less money and have the other money to improve other areas.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by O.city

A free safety that can play center field and take the ball away is more impactful than the best in the box safety. Yes. Not really debatable.

A prime Earl Thomas is going to be more impactful than a prime Landon Collins.

Collins is a really good player. A potential all pro player.

But as we just saw multiple teams do last year with the free agent safety class, you can go get a guy that may not be as good as Landon, for a hell of alot less money and have the other money to improve other areas.

He's a 3 time all-pro, not a 'potential' all pro. He's 25 years old. He's a playmaker. To argue otherwise is stupid.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He's a 3 time all-pro, not a 'potential' all pro. He's 25 years old. He's a playmaker. To argue otherwise is stupid.

Haven't said one time he's not a "playmaker". Making plays in the run game as as safety isn't as impactful as taking the ball away or making plays in the pass game as a safety.

Box safeties are also prime candidates to break down due to injury because they're smaller having to take on bigger blockers.

Box safeties are the Running back of the defense.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by O.city

Haven't said one time he's not a "playmaker". Making plays in the run game as as safety isn't as impactful as taking the ball away or making plays in the pass game as a safety.

Box safeties are also prime candidates to break down due to injury because they're smaller having to take on bigger blockers.

Box safeties are the Running back of the defense.

This is what I mean by 'you don't know what you're talking about'.

You equate SS as simply a 'box run defender'.

That's not a reality in the modern NFL. Landon Collins is NOT Daniel Sorensen.

He's not a 'good player', he's a GREAT PLAYER. A PLAYMAKER. In all aspects of the game. He covers TE's and backs in the passing game. He's an excellent run defender, yes, but to try to say that's all is DUMB. He's also an excellent blitzer. You keep indicating that he's just a force as a run stopper. That's an ignorant take. Ignorant in the true sense of the word; not as a slur. You don't know what you're talking about.

He's a 3 time ALL PRO at 25 years old. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. There are NOT guys like that in every draft. He's a special player, like Earl Thomas is. Like Berry WAS. He literally plays the position Berry has played most of his career snaps. So all the things you've seen Berry do-yeah, that's what Collins does.

If you sign Collins and re-unite him with Spags and then draft an Adderley you are set at Safety for the next 5 years. That is HUGE.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is what I mean by 'you don't know what you're talking about'.

You equate SS as simply a 'box run defender'.

That's not a reality in the modern NFL. Landon Collins is NOT Daniel Sorensen.

He's not a 'good player', he's a GREAT PLAYER. A PLAYMAKER. In all aspects of the game. He covers TE's and backs in the passing game. He's an excellent run defender, yes, but to try to say that's all is DUMB. He's also an excellent blitzer. You keep indicating that he's just a force as a run stopper. That's an ignorant take. Ignorant in the true sense of the word; not as a slur. You don't know what you're talking about.

He's a 3 time ALL PRO at 25 years old. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. There are NOT guys like that in every draft. He's a special player, like Earl Thomas is. Like Berry WAS. He literally plays the position Berry has played most of his career snaps. So all the things you've seen Berry do-yeah, that's what Collins does.

If you sign Collins and re-unite him with Spags and then draft an Adderley you are set at Safety for the next 5 years. That is HUGE.

He's been an All Pro once. The **** are you spouting off "ignorant" for when you can't even get that right?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is what I mean by 'you don't know what you're talking about'.

You equate SS as simply a 'box run defender'.

That's not a reality in the modern NFL. Landon Collins is NOT Daniel Sorensen.

He's not a 'good player', he's a GREAT PLAYER. A PLAYMAKER. In all aspects of the game. He covers TE's and backs in the passing game. He's an excellent run defender, yes, but to try to say that's all is DUMB. He's also an excellent blitzer. You keep indicating that he's just a force as a run stopper. That's an ignorant take. Ignorant in the true sense of the word; not as a slur. You don't know what you're talking about.

He's a 3 time ALL PRO at 25 years old. HE IS A PLAYMAKER. There are NOT guys like that in every draft. He's a special player, like Earl Thomas is. Like Berry WAS. He literally plays the position Berry has played most of his career snaps. So all the things you've seen Berry do-yeah, that's what Collins does.

If you sign Collins and re-unite him with Spags and then draft an Adderley you are set at Safety for the next 5 years. That is HUGE.

He's an excellent run defender. He's good covering TE's and backs. He's not shown to this point he's elite in that area, nor has he shown to be consistently elite playing deep.

You're gonna have to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL to get him to KC.

Stop being a fanboy.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

He's a 3 time all-pro, not a 'potential' all pro. He's 25 years old. He's a playmaker. To argue otherwise is stupid.

He's a one-time All Pro. Three-time Pro Bowler. Not exactly the same thing.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I swear to god a bunch of you don't watch football, or have no idea what you're looking at when you do.

There are not safeties found every year that impact a game like Landon Collins does. What the **** position do you think Berry has played most of his career?

SS cover TE's, close off slant routes in zone coverages, and yes, play run support. All things we were laughably bad at, yet you guys think a guy that maybe gets 3 or 4 INT's all year is more impactful?

Are you all the same guys that insisted Marcus Peters is an elite corner because turnovers? You guys STILL think so?

No man. There is so much to a good defensive team that just measuring SACKS or just measuring INT's as your whole concept of a player's worth is dumb.

It's the equivalent of a slow, plodding, shitty defensive first baseman that hit 30 home runs....but hit .220. So he ****s your team several different ways, but holy shit, did you see that homer?!

It's dumb.

Name of the game in today’s NFL is taking the ball away. Why are we paying a safety big money that isn’t good at that?

Landon had one good season. Not worth the investment with a strong safety class IMO

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Name of the game in today’s NFL is taking the ball away. Why are we paying a safety big money that isn’t good at that?

Landon had one good season. Not worth the investment with a strong safety class IMO

One good season for a 3 time all-pro? Interesting take.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

One good season for a 3 time all-pro? Interesting take.

He was a first team all pro in his one good season. He went to the pro bowl 3X and we know how credible the pro bowl is these days.

I’m not enamored with paying a guy huge money that averages 1 INT and 6 PD’s in 3/4 seasons. One good year doesn’t mean big money IMO

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

He was a first team all pro in his one good season. He went to the pro bowl 3X and we know how credible the pro bowl is these days.

I’m not enamored with paying a guy huge money that averages 1 INT and 6 PD’s in 3/4 seasons. One good year doesn’t mean big money IMO

y'all are nuts, and haven't watched him play.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Box safeties are found every year for a hell of a lot cheaper than what Landon Collins is going to cost

If you pay him that, he better be a hell of a lot. Ore than a guy that plays around the line of scrimmage

You could literally get 80% of that production for like 15% of the price elsewhere

Yup. Collins isn’t worth big money.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup. Collins isn’t worth big money.

Unless Berry is gone