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Old 03-04-2019, 04:52 PM  
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:50 AM   #301
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Probably true. That’s the conundrum with that idea.

I could see a scenario where if they traded Ford, they bring in a Shane Ray or Chris Long as an insurance policy for if a rookie replacement isn’t quite what they had hoped for in year one at LEO.
LEO doesn't have to be a strictly speed rusher.

On that weak side of the line, you're going to have Jones plus whoever, and they're going to get a lot of 1 on 1's no matter what.

I'm not opposed to taking a flyer on Ray, or Vinny Curry, or whoever. I don't know about Ray being a DE, but we'll see.

I like Flowers because he's young, good all-around, and has played for Daly already. If they're going to draft a DE high, then an older vet stop-gap is cool.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:04 AM   #302
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The issue is just where the Chiefs are picking in the first. At 29, you're just not gonna have the chance to get a guy that's likely to come in an be a force at edge rusher. So you've gotta dip into free agency.

That's not cheap.

The big issue that this comes back to is blowing those 2nd round picks on guys that were supposed to develop and replace these aging pass rushers. One of them can't even get on the field and the other just looked to be out of place as a rookie.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:12 AM   #303
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No, he's not being traded.

Giving up all your best players in a single season is NOT how you get better on defense.

Just ask the Raiders.
Well when you're 31st on defense, there's alot of room for improvement.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:17 AM   #304
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I'm not as high on Flowers as some but for all the hand-wringing about Trey Flowers' sack total, chew on this.

Trey Flowers' NFL career:

7 sacks, 6.5 sacks, 7.5 sacks.

Dee Ford's NFL career:

0 sacks, 4 sacks, 10 sacks, 0 sacks, 13 sacks


That's what it comes down to. Once guy is solid and dependable. The other guy is a coin flip between brilliant and brokedick.

We're not all ever going to agree on this. These 2 preferences go to the core of our character and what we value.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:18 AM   #305
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I’m really happy with Flowers as the starter at RDE/Leo in the base set with Speaks at LDE. Flowers is versatile enough to be effective there.

Also like the idea of signing someone like Shane Ray as a cheap Ford speed rush replacement. Ray at RDE would be a nice sub-package piece to play with.

I’d also be on board with Chris Long, but he may too much of a progressive activist for Hunt.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:19 AM   #306
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You're only looking at half of the game if you think he's never sniffed Ford's production.

He's a much better all around player. There's more to playing DE than sack totals.
Sounds good except Ford had 42 solo tackles, 13 sacks and 7 FF and Flowers had 32 solo tackles, 7.5 sacks and 3 FF. I think we need to move on from Ford but when healthy he's a good player. Familiarity breeds contempt.
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Gonna be fun to watch this all play out.

If they're able to land any draft compensation for Ford/Houston i can't imagine they won't use some of these picks to trade for young, 1st contract-type guys. Like Fuller.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:22 AM   #308
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:23 AM   #309
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Sounds good except Ford had 42 solo tackles, 13 sacks and 7 FF and Flowers had 32 solo tackles, 7.5 sacks and 3 FF. I think we need to move on from Ford but when healthy he's a good player. Familiarity breeds contempt.
No, lack of production breeds contempt when the price tag is $16M guaranteed for 1 season.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:24 AM   #310
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Gonna be fun to watch this all play out.

If they're able to land any draft compensation for Ford/Houston i can't imagine they won't use some of these picks to trade for young, 1st contract-type guys. Like Fuller.
It definitely makes the offseason fun to follow. You just get the feeling that Veach is going to ALWAYS be busy.
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It definitely makes the offseason fun to follow. You just get the feeling that Veach is going to ALWAYS be busy.
I expect some surprises for sure.
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:28 AM   #312
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Maybe even a Jalen Ramsey.
Imo they should go all in on a star CB like him.

If utilized correctly, a guy like that changes the whole defense and let’s you match up against everyone better.

Even BB has always paid big $$$ for good CBS that can match up on opposing 1s.
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I'm not as high on Flowers as some but for all the hand-wringing about Trey Flowers' sack total, chew on this.

Trey Flowers' NFL career:

7 sacks, 6.5 sacks, 7.5 sacks.

Dee Ford's NFL career:

0 sacks, 4 sacks, 10 sacks, 0 sacks, 13 sacks


That's what it comes down to. Once guy is solid and dependable. The other guy is a coin flip between brilliant and brokedick.

We're not all ever going to agree on this. These 2 preferences go to the core of our character and what we value.
But is he worth an average of $17 million?

Not so sure about that
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Old 03-05-2019, 10:32 AM   #314
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I'm not as high on Flowers as some but for all the hand-wringing about Trey Flowers' sack total, chew on this.

Trey Flowers' NFL career:

7 sacks, 6.5 sacks, 7.5 sacks.

Dee Ford's NFL career:

0 sacks, 4 sacks, 10 sacks, 0 sacks, 13 sacks


That's what it comes down to. Once guy is solid and dependable. The other guy is a coin flip between brilliant and brokedick.

We're not all ever going to agree on this. These 2 preferences go to the core of our character and what we value.

Awesome!
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But is he worth an average of $17 million?

Not so sure about that
That average of $17M would look more like $10-12M against the cap in 2019.

That's another player. So it's not Flowers vs. Ford. It's Flowers AND another role player vs. Ford.

That's the REAL issue.
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