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Old 11-02-2021, 10:27 AM  
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Raiders' Henry Ruggs in fatal accident - will be charged with DUI resulting in death
Update: Not a rumor, actually happened. Story developing.

Per TMZ: 10:27 AM PT -- A source close to Ruggs tells us the NFL'er is expected to be OK. The condition of the other people involved in the crash is still unclear.

10:40 AM PT -- A law enforcement source tells us at least one person involved in the crash has died. Ruggs' attorney, David Chesnoff, tells TMZ Sports, "On behalf of our client Henry Ruggs III we are conducting our own investigation as of this writing and ask everyone to reserve judgment until all the facts are gathered."




Update: TMZ has the story:

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Old 11-06-2021, 03:49 PM   #841
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Can we let this thread go. It’s terrible and the poor girl and her dog, eye witness’s saying they heard screams from her car. Let it go. We are better than this. He is not in the NFL anymore and we should move on.
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Old 11-06-2021, 04:05 PM   #842
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Can we let this thread go. It’s terrible and the poor girl and her dog, eye witness’s saying they heard screams from her car. Let it go. We are better than this. He is not in the NFL anymore and we should move on.


No one is requiring you to read the thread...
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Old 11-12-2021, 01:52 PM   #843
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Ruggs lawyer is trying to say the fire department took too long putting out the fire. His lawyer might be a bigger scumb bag than he is
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:16 PM   #844
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I’m not a fan of stacking charges. I understand the value when it comes to seeking a plea agreement (among other considerations), but I’d rather just see the most serious charge be the prosecuted charge in most cases.

I wonder how small a minority I’m putting myself in when I say that I think even the 22 years that seemed to be the initial maximum would have been too much.

It’s rare - but possible - for the charges to be served consecutively rather than concurrently. But most prosecutors in MO/KS seek concurrent sentences (served at same time).

Remember that each charge has a separate burden of proof, too. So if he’s charged with 10 crimes, they may only be able to prove 6 beyond doubt. Or 3.
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:19 PM   #845
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Ruggs lawyer is trying to say the fire department took too long putting out the fire. His lawyer might be a bigger scumb bag than he is



"Your honor, my client inflicted only third-degree burns that might have been survivable if it weren't for the negligence of the fire department, who are supposed to be trained professionals!"
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:37 PM   #846
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Ruggs lawyer is trying to say the fire department took too long putting out the fire. His lawyer might be a bigger scumb bag than he is
Yeah, defense lawyers will reach to any extent possible to place blame on anyone else, even if it's a small fraction of blame... check your integrity at the door.
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:38 PM   #847
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This case is national news. Any leniency given to Ruggs due to his standing as an NFL star will be met with harsh criticism. The fact that the girl was burned alive only adds to it. So sad.
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:46 PM   #848
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I very much dislike the idea of stacking charges and pleas and all of that. I know someone who got some charges here a while back and it's like 8 separate charges... and apparently the county is known for doing that, I'm sure because some or most get dropped with a plea. I assume in the past they would charge someone with 1 or 2 and they would get dropped into lower level misdemeanors or whatever, so now if you have 10 ****ing charges, a plea of 2 or 3 looks amazing...... and each has a huge sliding scale of severity and being able to knock time off, etc. Very flexible for the infinite number of different situations, but also seems like there are far simpler ways to deal with the vast majority.

Anyway.... I don't know the "right" answer for number of years. I can definitely see the argument for 20 years being a really damn long time, he'd get out in his 40s or whatever and his career would obviously be far, far in the rear view mirror. Going in at 20whatever and getting out at 40+.... that's a long ****ing time.

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Merger doctrine generally sorts out the stacking issue. You can't typically be convicted of one crime if the elements of that crime are wholly subsumed by the bigger crime you're convicted of.

It's just the prosecution putting all their options on the table. Generally speaking it's largely sorted out if/when it goes to trial. It's kinda the inverse of the lesser included offenses rule. I don't care for that one, but I don't typically mind stacking since it mostly comes out in the wash if/when the matter is submitted to the jury.
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Old 11-12-2021, 03:27 PM   #850
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Can we let this thread go. It’s terrible and the poor girl and her dog, eye witness’s saying they heard screams from her car. Let it go. We are better than this. He is not in the NFL anymore and we should move on.
You could use the “Ignore Thread” feature. Problem solved.
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Ruggs just living his life after killing people.



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how do you know that's really him and not just someone who made that gamer tag. Tho, disguising yourself as a white dude with Al Davis's son's hair is pretty ingenious.
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how do you know that's really him and not just someone who made that gamer tag. Tho, disguising yourself as a white dude with Al Davis's son's hair is pretty ingenious.
Even if it is him, what is he suppose to be doing?
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Yeah, defense lawyers will reach to any extent possible to place blame on anyone else, even if it's a small fraction of blame... check your integrity at the door.
That's what they are paid to do. They dig for any possible angle to keep their client out of jail.

Prosecutors aren't much better, they will do anything to keep their conviction rate % up. They won't press charges against a huge scumbag if they might not get a conviction. They will destroy someone who didn't really do much if it's an easy case. Don't believe for a second that Prosecutors are looking out for the people. Most of them are looking to get a better job as a politician or get on a corporate retainer.
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