Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It's not arguing for the sake of arguing to point out that it is rather silly to complain about a 2020s show not sticking with the ridiculous Gorn design from a 1960s television show with next to no budget. Of course things like that are going to be updated, how could they not?

Again, you're so busy being obtuse that you completely miss the point. Of course you can update things. That is to be expected. I mentioned the bridge before - that is perhaps the coolest thing in Star Trek ever. Hell, I didn't care that they altered the look of the Klingons in the first movie, or the Romulans in NG. But changing the entire nature of something goes far beyond updating. The updated Klingons just had long hair, bad teeth and ridges on their foreheads - they weren't suddenly ten feet tall with tentacles sprouting out of their backs. They could have made menacing CGI Gorns that are better and more realistic than some guy stomping around in a green costume 55 years ago that didn't completely piss on established canon.

Explain how Kirk, alone and unarmed, could survive against an "updated" Gorn long enough to locate and identify the components of gunpowder, and then construct a bamboo mortar. Good luck with that. I guess they could just supersize him into Captain America or Superman; that would be as silly as what they've already done, but hey, modern audiences, right?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Frazod

Again, you're so busy being obtuse that you completely miss the point. Of course you can update things. That is to be expected. I mentioned the bridge before - that is perhaps the coolest thing in Star Trek ever. Hell, I didn't care that they altered the look of the Klingons in the first movie, or the Romulans in NG. But changing the entire nature of something goes far beyond updating. The updated Klingons just had long hair, bad teeth and ridges on their foreheads - they weren't suddenly ten feet tall with tentacles sprouting out of their backs. They could have made menacing CGI Gorns that are better and more realistic than some guy stomping around in a green costume 55 years ago that didn't completely piss on established canon.

Explain how Kirk, alone and unarmed, could survive against an "updated" Gorn long enough to locate and identify the components of gunpowder, and then construct a bamboo mortar. Good luck with that. I guess they could just supersize him into Captain America or Superman; that would be as silly as what they've already done, but hey, modern audiences, right?

Hold up, you're calling someone else obtuse when you're bitching about SNW altering canon by changing a ridiculous Gorn design from a 1960s no-budget television show to something actually threatening and menacing 60 years later?

This is literally the last thing anybody should be dwelling on, particularly given how effective both the Gorn-related episodes have been.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Hold up, you're calling someone else obtuse when you're bitching about SNW altering canon by changing a ridiculous Gorn design from a 1960s no-budget television show to something actually threatening and menacing 60 years later?

This is literally the last thing anybody should be dwelling on, particularly given how effective both the Gorn-related episodes have been.

If they can't effectively offer an updated version of something from existing content, then leave it alone. Do it well or don't do it.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by listopencil

If they can't effectively offer an updated version of something from existing content, then leave it alone. Do it well or don't do it.

If you’re referring to the Gorn depictions in SNW, they did it phenomenally well. They made what was effectively long considered a joke into something terrorizing.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

If you’re referring to the Gorn depictions in SNW, they did it phenomenally well. They made what was effectively long considered a joke into something terrorizing.

No, they didn't. They created something new in the franchise and gave it the name of something that already existed. The new thing is fun because it hasn't been in Star Trek yet - because it was stolen from the Aliens franchise.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by listopencil

No, they didn't.

Yes, they did. Both Gorn episodes have met with high acclaim and the reason for that is that the vast majority of people who watch SNW aren't looking for any reason they can find to attack the show solely because it doesn't have the look and feel of a 1960s TV no-budget show.

They created something new in the franchise and gave it the name of something that already existed. The new thing is fun because it hasn't been in Star Trek yet - because it was stolen from the Aliens franchise.

This came up last year too here and I have yet to understand why giving the Gorn a similar design to the monsters from the Aliens franchise is a bad thing.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by listopencil

If they can't effectively offer an updated version of something from existing content, then leave it alone. Do it well or don't do it.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

If you’re referring to the Gorn depictions in SNW, they did it phenomenally well. They made what was effectively long considered a joke into something terrorizing.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes, they did. Both Gorn episodes have met with high acclaim and the reason for that is that the vast majority of people who watch SNW aren't looking for any reason they can find to attack the show solely because it doesn't have the look and feel of a 1960s TV no-budget show.


This came up last year too here and I have yet to understand why giving the Gorn a similar design to the monsters from the Aliens franchise is a bad thing.

What you're doing here is employing a straw man (arguing against a narrative rather than what has been brought up) and gatekeeping (trying to squash opposing views as being unworthy of discussion). Try engaging in honest discussion and perhaps you won't be confused.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Hold up, you're calling someone else obtuse when you're bitching about SNW altering canon by changing a ridiculous Gorn design from a 1960s no-budget television show to something actually threatening and menacing 60 years later?

This is literally the last thing anybody should be dwelling on, particularly given how effective both the Gorn-related episodes have been.

He's not talking about making the special effects much better, he's talking about writing characters to be much more than they were originally. Why is that so hard?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Lzen

He's not talking about making the special effects much better, he's talking about writing characters to be much more than they were originally. Why is that so hard?

No, that was what he (and others) were complaining about before with respect to Uhura being depicted differently than 60 years ago (as a character with her own story/development now rather than a background character in service of the Big 3 in the 1960s).

This latest complaint involved the design changes to the Gorn and the hilarious bitching that 1960s Kirk would no longer be able to win a hand-to-hand combat fight against this type of lizard person thereby breaking canon.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Lzen

He's not talking about making the special effects much better, he's talking about writing characters to be much more than they were originally. Why is that so hard?

Because he's an idiotic asshole, dug in like a tick, arguing for the sake of the argument. That's why. There's really nothing left to say about it.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Frazod

Because he's an idiotic asshole, dug in like a tick, arguing for the sake of the argument. That's why. There's really nothing left to say about it.

The pot calling the kettle black if there ever was one.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Frazod

Because he's an idiotic asshole, dug in like a tick, arguing for the sake of the argument. That's why. There's really nothing left to say about it.

True. Points have been made with clarity. He's either too stupid to understand them or too dishonest to have a genuine conversation about them. Moving on.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by listopencil

True. Points have been made with clarity. He's either too stupid to understand them or too dishonest to have a genuine conversation about them. Moving on.

Still waiting for a response to my question about why their depiction now isn't actually the Gorn.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Still waiting for a response to my question about why their depiction now isn't actually the Gorn.

And unsurprisingly (considering your latest down vote), I'm gonna keep waiting.

The only possible answer to that question, of course, is that the Gorn being depicted now bear little similarity to how they were in the TOS era (and instead bear a striking resemblance to the Alien xenomorphs). Which means your odd complaints that they weren't done well by the SNW producers (despite the almost unanimous praise for them by the fans of the show) would logically have to be directly tied to their depiction not being close enough to the 1960s television version (silly clunky costume and all).

Next time I guess they should really consider something less cool and more ridiculous in making good TV. We can't upset the canon, right?