*****OFFICIAL 2022 Border War Hoops and HATE Thread

[Chiefspants]

Alright y’all! We got a game this Saturday. The reigning National Champion Jayhawks are as self-righteous as ever and coming to Columbia, where the Tigers look like they could have their best coached team since the Obama administration. Self is still figuring out his rotations (to a painful degree), and in Columbia anything can happen.

This thread can also be used to talk football and how this rivalry is oh so dead, which is why a bowl game that is not happening has arguments spilling over into Mizzou threads, KU threads, college football threads, and twitter and facebook wars all over my feed.

Join me and let’s all talk about how this game doesn’t matter anymore and all angrily ask why I’m missing asterisks in the thread title.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Again, you're focusing solely on a few teams at the top of a 14 team league. They might be better at the very top, but that doesn't make the league as a whole better. And it doesn't mean that Missouri is facing a gauntlet every year, while KU is facing nobodies.

There have been some years in Big 12 basketball in which KU was facing a ranked team in every other game, including teams in the top 10. If another league has only one ranked team, but that team wins the tournament, was their league better and was the conference slate tougher?

Would it surprise you to know that in the 11 Natty’s that the SEC has won in the last 15 years, 6 different teams have hoisted the Trophy. That’s damn near half the conference (and was before Mizzou and TAM joined in 2012). So it hasn’t just been a couple of the same teams dominating every year. The only exception to that rule is Alabama. But Alabama has had ‘down years’ (by their standards) and other SEC teams have stepped up in their place to compete for a Natty when that’s happened. Hell, even Mizzou would have had a shot to play for a Natty in 2013 had they been able to beat Auburn. They hung with them for 3 quarters of the SEC Title Game, but ran out of gas in the 4th. But they were that close. It’s the whole idea of a ‘rising tide will lift all boats’ in action.

And that’s mainly due to the talent difference between the SEC, as a whole, and other conferences. Which all goes back to recruiting. I think it’s funny that so many people wonder why the SEC has been a dominant force in college football for so long. Just look at the recruiting rankings. You think a team like Mizzou could pull in a Top 15 class (and they did just that in 2022) in any other conference outside of the SEC? Fat chance.

Of the Top 20 recruiting classes in 2022, the SEC had 9 of them. The next closest was the ACC with 4, then the Big 10 with 3, the Big 12 with 2, PAC 12 with 1 and Notre Dame.

And that tells the story of why the SEC is ALWAYS playing for a Natty at the end of a season (often 2 teams). Because they play more talented teams in conference throughout the season.

It’s really not all that surprising.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Welp, I said I would stop posting in this thread after today and I’m a man of my word (yes, I realize it’s technically after midnight).

To all you Beakers: it’s been fun going back and forth the last week. Good luck to your football team against Arkansas (likely a loss) and your basketball team (likely a whole bunch of wins) going forward. It’s been real.

See you in the other threads. TBT out.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Welp, I said I would stop posting in this thread after today and I’m a man of my word (yes, I realize it’s technically after midnight).

To all you Beakers: it’s been fun going back and forth the last week. Good luck to your football team against Arkansas (likely a loss) and your basketball team (likely a whole bunch of wins). It’s been real.

See you in the other threads. TBT out.

See you in the other

Dodging KU just like Coach Drink.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

And, again, you can’t compare college basketball to college football. They’re two entirely different sports with different variables, inherent injury risks, physical demands, recovery time, etc. 12 basketball games is not in any way equivalent to 12 football games so not even sure why you would make that analogy.

A chance? Well sure. Every team could have a ‘chance’. But we’re talking Dumb and Dumber odds here. So what you wanna do. Put every team in FBS (120 approx.) in one giant college football playoff that goes on for 6 months to determine a champion? That way everyone got a chance. That’s reeruned thinking.

Hell, while we’re at it, let’s just expand the NCAA Tourney to 363 teams, give them all a ‘chance’ and that way every one can feel good about their participation trophy and the fact they got a shot to play for a Natty. Nevermind the fact that 85 to 90 percent of them didn’t even deserve that chance in the first place. I mean, it’s dumb enough now that college basketball basically allows about 20% of their teams into the post season tourney with a ‘chance’ to play for a Natty.

I mean, I get WHY they do it ($$$$$$), but it’s still stupid.

Wait, you’re saying that any team outside of the four in the playoff would have extremely low odds? Are you serious? Did you forget that Alabama didn’t make it? All because they lost to a good team on the road by 1 point in OT.

TCU finished with a great record but they don’t scare me any more than a handful of other Big 12 teams right now. They had the benefit of playing a weak non-con and barely escaped in several games. And they just lost to K-State. Who’s to say that K-State wouldn’t have a better chance of advancing in the playoff?

Every year there’s controversy regarding teams that didn’t make the cut. It’s ridiculous to act like all the other teams face astronomical odds.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Although it turns out he's a psycho, Marshall was a damn good coach. Self is a good coach but it's not like he's making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Gregggg was a good coach, terrible person. Once players realized it, they started leaving in droves. If not for a couple guys he lucked out on, Gregggg would just be considered another in a long line of good for mid major coaches.

[Bearcat]

Congrats on winning the Orange Bowl!

MIZZOU BASKETBALL IS BUILT DIFFERENT THIS YEAR pic.twitter.com/XUXPQlwrzi

— Jack Parodi (@jack_parodi) December 17, 2022

[Chiefspants]

Mizzou lost their bowl game and for some reason it’s reignited the hate between our proud institutions. What better thread to settle scores than this one.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Mizzou lost their bowl game and for some reason it’s reignited the hate between our proud institutions. What better thread to settle scores than this one.

#Mizzou would’ve beaten #Kansas. pic.twitter.com/6oGkRGV7vN

— Message Board Geniuses (@BoardGeniuses) December 24, 2022

Will drop this in here too.

[cmh6476]

so, you guys any good this year?

[KC_Connection]

It’s only right that TRob is getting his jersey retired this Saturday against Mizzou pic.twitter.com/xjsKwtW4Kd

— Aint No Seats Podcast (@AintNoSeatsPod) December 5, 2023

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by cmh6476

so, you guys any good this year?

They’re 7-2 so they can’t be that bad.

Guess we’ll find out Saturday! Should be a very spirited contest. Looking forward to it

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It’s only right that TRob is getting his jersey retired this Saturday against Mizzou pic.twitter.com/xjsKwtW4Kd

— Aint No Seats Podcast (@AintNoSeatsPod) December 5, 2023

It is pretty fk'n fantastic.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

It is pretty fk'n fantastic.

What a block that was.

[smithandrew051]

I think chiefspants needs to start a new thread

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

What a block that was.

*Jay Bilas wept*

That will always be my favorite sporting event that I’ve attended.

The whole game felt like a movie. Even when things looked bad, I think everyone knew KU would find a way.

It was incredible. I’ve never heard the Phog louder.