Patrick Mahomes is entering his Donovan McNabb era

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You're being emotional about this.

You would have zero issue if they took Pickens and Rice the last 2 years. You wouldn't give a **** that it was 2 2nd round picks and not a trade up in the 1st.

Again, look at the approaches to the WR group vs the OL (twice), DL and DB's. Night and day.

The Pickens example is just another example of them not really attacking the group the way they have with other position groups. Instead of taking BPA, they traded down.

On top of that, they traded down for a guy who was never going to have the skillset to be an Alpha perimeter receiver.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Again, look at the approaches to the WR group vs the OL (twice), DL and DB's. Night and day.

The Pickens example is just another example of them not really attacking the group the way they have with other position groups. Instead of taking BPA, they traded down.

On top of that, they traded down for a guy who was never going to have the skillset to be an Alpha perimeter receiver.

Lol yea you're definitely being emotional and illogical about this. No point in trying to reason with you I guess.

They drafted a WR in the 2nd round 2 years in a row. They aren't ****ing ignoring the position. They just missed badly on one. That's the fair criticism, not a lack of investment.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol yea you're definitely being emotional and illogical about this. No point in trying to reason with you I guess.

They drafted a WR in the 2nd round 2 years in a row. They aren't ****ing ignoring the position. They just missed badly on one. That's the fair criticism, not a lack of investment.

I keep asking you to compare the approaches.

Fine, someone else compare the approaches. OL/DB/DL/WR....one of these is not like the others...

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I keep asking you to compare the approaches.

Fine, someone else compare the approaches. OL/DB/DL/WR....one of these is not like the others...

Funny that you mention DB because that's a position that everybody thought they would never invest highly in based on Veach's first few seasons. They've invested highly in exactly one guy at the position.

As for "OL/DL", what you really mean is OT and DE. Premium positions that aren't easy to fill with a 2nd round pick. It is much easier to find a stud WR in the 2nd than a stud OT or DE.

And I keep going back to Rice. They could've just as easily taken Rice in the 1st, and we aren't having this argument. There was actually a report recently that they would've taken Rice if FAU wasn't there. What difference does it really make? They got a stud and a possible WR1 (top notch WR2 at worst).

Did Reid taking DJax in the 2nd and not the 1st prove that he wasn't prioritizing the WR position in Philly? This is just nonsensical.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Funny that you mention DB because that's a position that everybody thought they would never invest highly in based on Veach's first few seasons. They've invested highly in exactly one guy at the position.

And i told those people at the time that they were wrong.

The DB group was attacked aggressively with a multitude of picks that spanned an entire draft, as well as the addition of a Key F/A that they spent more money on than any WR.

Which is a far cry from "a" 2nd round draft pick.

We have 100's of Millions spent on OL the last few seasons. Big money on the DL along with a pair of back to back first rounders.

They very clearly seriously attacked those position groups in a much different way than WR.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And i told those people at the time that they were wrong.

The DB group was attacked aggressively with a multitude of picks that spanned an entire draft , as well as the addition of a Key F/A that they spent more money on than any WR.

Which is a far cry from "a" 2nd round draft pick.

We have 100's of Millions spent on OL the last few seasons. Big money on the DL along with a pair of back to back first rounders.

They very clearly seriously attacked those position groups in a much different way than WR.

You mean a 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 7th?

They invested 2 2nds and a 3rd at WR in 2 years.

The only difference is the 1st round pick. That's it. Again, you're 100% being emotional and illogical about this.

Complain all you want about them getting it wrong with Moore and Toney, but you can't say that they attacked the DB position while ignoring the WR position. That is not at all based on reality.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

And i told those people at the time that they were wrong.

The DB group was attacked aggressively with a multitude of picks that spanned an entire draft, as well as the addition of a Key F/A that they spent more money on than any WR.

Which is a far cry from "a" 2nd round draft pick.

We have 100's of Millions spent on OL the last few seasons. Big money on the DL along with a pair of back to back first rounders.

They very clearly seriously attacked those position groups in a much different way than WR.

and those DB picks panning out means we probably let Sneed walk and pickup a FA WR...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Again, look at the approaches to the WR group vs the OL (twice), DL and DB's. Night and day.

The Pickens example is just another example of them not really attacking the group the way they have with other position groups. Instead of taking BPA, they traded down.

On top of that, they traded down for a guy who was never going to have the skillset to be an Alpha perimeter receiver.

Pickens was never on their board. The guys a head case, and its showing in Pittsburgh. Could Mahomes and Kelce help keep him in line, who knows, Tomlin can't. Again, look at the WR's taken ahead of Pickens, then Skyy, then all those after Skyy. It wasn't a good draft round 2-7 for a receiver, period.

Oh and they addressed the Oline, because Mahomes is worth protecting. If you can't protect him it doesn't matter who's running routes as the 2021 Superbowl showed. And yes, we addressed the defense because we sucked there. Even if we get on a streak and make a run this year, I'm fairly confident they will address the WR group to some degree.