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Old 05-13-2025, 02:21 PM  
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"Shoeless" Joe Jackson and Pete Rose removed from MLB ineligible list.
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Old 05-13-2025, 04:47 PM   #46
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In the 1919 World Series, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson had a .375 batting average, 12 hits, no errors, and the only home run for the White Sox. His .375 batting average was the highest on either team. He also had 6 RBIs and 5 runs scored. His 12 hits set a Series record that stood until 1964.
He took their money but you couldn't prove that he did a single thing to throw any of those games.
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Old 05-13-2025, 04:48 PM   #47
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Bonds yes since he was a great player before taking steroids.

McGwire and Sosa? Less clear.
McGwire hit 49 HRs as a rookie in 1987. A record at the time. OPS .987. ROY.

That was Bond’s second year. OPS 0.821.

If we’re going to assume that both came into the league and their first 3 years were pure as white snow, Bonds definitely was not clearly the better player.

What we can comfortably say is that Bonds was the best player ever on PEDs. Better than McGwire and Sosa. Better than the others by a country mile.

But better than others like Ruth, Williams, and Foxx?

It’s weird to celebrate Bonds and just hate on or at best ignore what Judge is doing. PED-adjusted it’s just as special.
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Old 05-13-2025, 04:48 PM   #48
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In the 1919 World Series, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson had a .375 batting average, 12 hits, no errors, and the only home run for the White Sox. His .375 batting average was the highest on either team. He also had 6 RBIs and 5 runs scored. His 12 hits set a Series record that stood until 1964.


Yeah, after watching 8 Men Out I ha to go do a little research to make sure all those numbers were in fact correct. And based on just the articles I read on the subject, it really didn't seem like Joe was really in on the scam to throw the series. From everything I could find, he appeared to play his ass off.
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A lot of people say it was a response to Trump’s intervention. Is it okay then if it’s all a PR stunt?
If it isn’t a PR stunt, then explain why MLB didn’t lift the ban on Pete Rose when he was alive.
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McGwire hit 49 HRs as a rookie in 1987. A record at the time. OPS .987. ROY.
McGwire was steroid free that year?
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McGwire was steroid free that year?
Yes. He was fairly slender then.
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If it isn’t a PR stunt, then explain why MLB didn’t lift the ban on Pete Rose when he was alive.
Because he was a terrible individual who couldn't stop embarrassing himself. Since he's dead you don't have to actually deal with Pete Rose.
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If 8 Men Out is fairly accurate, Joe was clueless, not shoeless. I have no doubt he was an innocent victim.
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In the 1919 World Series, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson had a .375 batting average, 12 hits, no errors, and the only home run for the White Sox. His .375 batting average was the highest on either team. He also had 6 RBIs and 5 runs scored. His 12 hits set a Series record that stood until 1964.
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McGwire was steroid free that year?
Bonds was steroid free that year?
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If it isn’t a PR stunt, then explain why MLB didn’t lift the ban on Pete Rose when he was alive.
Because the president didn’t make an issue of it?
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Because he was a terrible individual who couldn't stop embarrassing himself.
Take Ty Cobb out of the HOF if simply being a “terrible individual” was enough of a threshold to keep Rose’s ban in place.
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Because the president didn’t make an issue of it?
You are crediting Trump for this?

Fine with me.
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McGwire hit 49 HRs as a rookie in 1987. A record at the time. OPS .987. ROY.

That was Bond’s second year. OPS 0.821.

If we’re going to assume that both came into the league and their first 3 years were pure as white snow, Bonds definitely was not clearly the better player.

What we can comfortably say is that Bonds was the best player ever on PEDs. Better than McGwire and Sosa. Better than the others by a country mile.

But better than others like Ruth, Williams, and Foxx?

It’s weird to celebrate Bonds and just hate on or at best ignore what Judge is doing. PED-adjusted it’s just as special.

What?

What did he say?

Bonds could play defense, he hit for high average, power and had speed to steal bases when he 1st came into the league.

In overall talent and ability, McGwire couldn't make the stain on Bonds jock the 1st 6 years of their careers!

FTM, even a career.
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