Gunther has been more of a liability than an asset to the organization

Brock · 11-17-2004, 02:57 PM

I dunno. Maybe there is a good reason he was never made a DC after his head coaching gig.

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 03:02 PM

I tend to think that the team has never recovered from the death of DT. The defense has never been the same.

Coogs · 11-17-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

I tend to think that the team has never recovered from the death of DT. The defense has never been the same.

Wasn't DT on the field during the "Monday Night Meltdown" game?

Coogs · 11-17-2004, 03:07 PM

I have had some of the same thoughts as shaneo69. I do think that when it comes time to rebuild the Chiefs, that the house cleaning should include everyone that is involved in the organization right now. Front office all the way down to the person who selects the cheerleaders.

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Wasn't DT on the field during the "Monday Night Meltdown" game?

Yep...that was his last season.

Coogs · 11-17-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Yep...that was his last season.

So we could say the defense was in decline while DT was here, not since his death, correct?

Ghostof · 11-17-2004, 03:15 PM

Its because Dan Salemua (sp?) went to Seattle and Neil Smith went to the

.

ALso when we released Tracy Simien...and donnie edwards

it will be at least a two years maybe three before we even get a defense back together again. by then the scale will change, our offense will be the joke of the NFL..and we'll have a defense in the top 3.

Has there ever been a team that had a #1 offense and #1 defense?

KCTitus · 11-17-2004, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

So we could say the defense was in decline while DT was here, not since his death, correct?

nope...the 98 season was the year that the team gave up on Marty. DT's absence began the gradual slide to the defense KC has today.

Coogs · 11-17-2004, 03:22 PM

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nope...the 98 season was the year that the team gave up on Marty. DT's absence began the gradual slide to the defense KC has today.

Dang years all run together anymore. I thought the meltdown game was the start of the decline of the defense.

**Lzen** · 11-17-2004, 03:29 PM

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Yep...that was his last season.

Nope, that was in 1998. DT played in 1999 and died in Feb(?) 2000. In reality, the defense in 1999 was pretty good. At least that's the way I remember it.

shaneo69 · 11-17-2004, 03:37 PM

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Nope, that was in 1998. DT played in 1999 and died in Feb(?) 2000. In reality, the defense in 1999 was pretty good. At least that's the way I remember it.

Yes, '99 was Derrick's last year. We gave up 20.1 points per game in '99. We had 25 INT's, 20 fumble recoveries (compared to 1 this year), and we had 39 sacks. Opponents averaged only 3.7 yards per rush against us that year.

**BigRedChief** · 11-17-2004, 03:47 PM

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Wasn't DT on the field during the "Monday Night Meltdown" game?

He was the main reason for the MNF meltdown. Having sharpe talk smack to him all night finally got to him and he grabbed the face mask and I'mgoing WTF are you doing! get some frigging control back Marty.

Coach · 11-17-2004, 03:51 PM

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He was the main reason for the MNF meltdown. Having sharpe talk smack to him all night finally got to him and he grabbed the face mask and I'mgoing WTF are you doing! get some frigging control back Marty.

I remember that incident as well, and wasn't that the time where Marty was trying to get the team under control, but failed to do so after talking to DT, but DT said something along with the lines of "shut up!"?

Chief Faithful · 11-17-2004, 03:54 PM

Bottomline is I still like this years defense significantly more than last years defense. Don't forget the Chiefs are playing much better teams this year, the defensive scheme is new, and still the defense is performing better. Gun is not the Chiefs problem.

Even with the disappointments this year I am very happy with the current coaching staff.

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