I still think CP deserves a little credit for drafting Johnson.

Coogs · 04-25-2005, 08:38 PM

I have been listening to radio shows and TV stations that decline to give CP any credit for drafting Johnson. Everyone seems to be saying anyone could have made the pick. And maybe so, once Johnson was there at #15.

BUT....

CP and gang had TWO players targeted for our pick at #15 in Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson. And as both of them continued to be there as the #15 pick drew near..... 9th... then 10th.... then 11th... then 12th... and finally past the Saints trade up to #13, we were assured of getting one of the two.

Leading up to the draft, most everyone was debating the merits of trading up by giving up a 1st AND 2nd to get into range to get Johnson. But, by having Johnson AND Davis as targets (and I truely believe Davis would have been an outstanding 2nd prize in this derby) we were able to set tight and let the chips fall as they may.

So thank you Thomas Davis for being a player worthy of allowing us to set tight and allow CP to do what anybody else could have done....

And thank you CP for having a plan B and not having to trade UP and waste draft picks as most here and there would have had you do.

Crush · 04-25-2005, 08:41 PM

I think the Lions and the hype of Mike Williams deserve the real credit.

milkman · 04-25-2005, 08:42 PM

It all sounds good Coogs, but quite frankly, even if Davis wasn't on their radar along with DJ, Carl wouldn't have had the ammo to trade up for DJ anyway.

If you want to give him props, then give him props for having 2 of the better defenders on the radar, rather than some project.

jcroft · 04-25-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

I think the Lions and the hype of Mike Williams deserve the real credit.

Yeah. Really we owe getting DJ to Mel Kiper for pimping Williams and Mariuce Clarett for letting Williams follow him into foolishness.

teedubya · 04-25-2005, 08:51 PM

Congratulations ChiefsPlanet... you deserve credit for Drafting Derrick Johnson. Good Job.

jspchief · 04-25-2005, 08:55 PM

I think KC had more than just Davis and Johnson on their board. I'm sure they also had the top 3 CBs. Had Johnson been taken, I'm not sure what they would have done since Davis and all 3 DBs were taken.

Personally, I can't give Peterson too much credit for not fucking up the most obvious draft choice that he's ever had in his life.

**Skip Towne** · 04-25-2005, 08:56 PM

We only drafted DJ because he fell in our lap. To read any more into it is speculation.

carlos3652 · 04-25-2005, 08:58 PM

Can you imagine if we had a cb, dj and davis available @ 15... Carl would definitely trade down... Im not sure I can give him credit for picking the BAA @15... no brainer... I give him credit for not being normal and screwing up...

Chiefnj · 04-25-2005, 09:01 PM

Credit for what? Not trading down to the Packers spot and getting quantity over quality? Credit for taking a top 10 pick who slid to 15? The Chiefs were well situated for getting an impact player at 15.

I'm just thankful as all hell that the Panthers took Davis or else the Chiefs would have a much bigger project to develop this offseason. I'll take the All American who played the position for 4 years over the guy who played it 4 months. I also want to know which dipshit scout/coach/GM had James as a top three consideration with Davis and Johnson.

I thank Peterson for having the sack to correct his massive misfire of the 2004 offseason. Good job squeezing 3 Pro-Bowl caliber free agents/drafts under the cap, good job giving up the 2nd round pick and good job not screwing up the 1st round of the draft.

Sure-Oz · 04-25-2005, 09:02 PM

This was a no-brainer pick and they almost ****ed it up by trading down.

jspchief · 04-25-2005, 09:08 PM

I think we should all give ourselves credit for not sh*tting in our pants today...

Crush · 04-25-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I think we should all give ourselves credit for not sh*tting in our pants today...

A little too late for Crush.

Wallcrawler · 04-25-2005, 09:16 PM

Ill tell you what I give Carl credit for.

Setting his ego aside, and dealing the #2 to Miami to get Patrick Surtain.

The pickup of Surtain was the biggest impact in this draft.

If Carl would have just kept the round 2 pick for spite, and drafted in his normal fashion just to prove a point that the fans/media dont dictate what he does, it could have been a disaster.

Then, not only did he deal the 2, he paid Surtain what he was worth, and didnt string it all out any longer with lowball BS.

Having Surtain onboard really took the sting out of those 3 corners being drafted in the top 10, thats for sure.

Because of the trade, we were able to take Johnson at 15, and rest easy with the fact that we werent sacrificing the secondary for help on the front 7.

Eleazar · 04-25-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ali Chi3fs

Congratulations ChiefsPlanet... you deserve credit for Drafting Derrick Johnson. Good Job.

Well, last week someone was telling me that Whitlock and Keitzman deserve credit for the Surtain trade, so if I were told ChiefsPlanet was responsible for DJ I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

tk13 · 04-25-2005, 09:23 PM

I still think the whole trading down thing is overblown. I don't think it's any big deal to at least answer the phones and listen to offers of people who want to trade down, you never know when somebody is going to make a dumb trade and give you too much. You'd never get any deals done if you didn't. Somehow this is got turned into not being interested. Carl's bullheaded.. he traded out of the first round last year for just a 4th or 5th round pick. If he wants to trade down, he will.

04-25-2005, 08:38 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1334349	I still think CP deserves a little credit for drafting Johnson. I have been listening to radio shows and TV stations that decline to give CP any credit for drafting Johnson. Everyone seems to be saying anyone could have made the pick. And maybe so, once Johnson was there at #15. BUT.... CP and gang had TWO players targeted for our pick at #15 in Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson. And as both of them continued to be there as the #15 pick drew near..... 9th... then 10th.... then 11th... then 12th... and finally past the Saints trade up to #13, we were assured of getting one of the two. Leading up to the draft, most everyone was debating the merits of trading up by giving up a 1st AND 2nd to get into range to get Johnson. But, by having Johnson AND Davis as targets (and I truely believe Davis would have been an outstanding 2nd prize in this derby) we were able to set tight and let the chips fall as they may. So thank you Thomas Davis for being a player worthy of allowing us to set tight and allow CP to do what anybody else could have done.... And thank you CP for having a plan B and not having to trade UP and waste draft picks as most here and there would have had you do.
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04-25-2005, 08:42 PM	#3
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	It all sounds good Coogs, but quite frankly, even if Davis wasn't on their radar along with DJ, Carl wouldn't have had the ammo to trade up for DJ anyway. If you want to give him props, then give him props for having 2 of the better defenders on the radar, rather than some project. __________________
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04-25-2005, 08:51 PM	#5
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9470002	Congratulations ChiefsPlanet... you deserve credit for Drafting Derrick Johnson. Good Job.
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04-25-2005, 08:55 PM	#6
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I think KC had more than just Davis and Johnson on their board. I'm sure they also had the top 3 CBs. Had Johnson been taken, I'm not sure what they would have done since Davis and all 3 DBs were taken. Personally, I can't give Peterson too much credit for not fucking up the most obvious draft choice that he's ever had in his life. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	We only drafted DJ because he fell in our lap. To read any more into it is speculation.
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04-25-2005, 08:41 PM	#2
Crush Amateur Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $5047091	I think the Lions and the hype of Mike Williams deserve the real credit.
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04-25-2005, 08:58 PM	#8
carlos3652 El Diablo Join Date: Dec 2004 Casino cash: $3986679	Can you imagine if we had a cb, dj and davis available @ 15... Carl would definitely trade down... Im not sure I can give him credit for picking the BAA @15... no brainer... I give him credit for not being normal and screwing up... __________________
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04-25-2005, 09:01 PM	#9
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Credit for what? Not trading down to the Packers spot and getting quantity over quality? Credit for taking a top 10 pick who slid to 15? The Chiefs were well situated for getting an impact player at 15. I'm just thankful as all hell that the Panthers took Davis or else the Chiefs would have a much bigger project to develop this offseason. I'll take the All American who played the position for 4 years over the guy who played it 4 months. I also want to know which dipshit scout/coach/GM had James as a top three consideration with Davis and Johnson. I thank Peterson for having the sack to correct his massive misfire of the 2004 offseason. Good job squeezing 3 Pro-Bowl caliber free agents/drafts under the cap, good job giving up the 2nd round pick and good job not screwing up the 1st round of the draft. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I think we should all give ourselves credit for not sh*tting in our pants today... __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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04-25-2005, 09:16 PM	#13
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4172912	Ill tell you what I give Carl credit for. Setting his ego aside, and dealing the #2 to Miami to get Patrick Surtain. The pickup of Surtain was the biggest impact in this draft. If Carl would have just kept the round 2 pick for spite, and drafted in his normal fashion just to prove a point that the fans/media dont dictate what he does, it could have been a disaster. Then, not only did he deal the 2, he paid Surtain what he was worth, and didnt string it all out any longer with lowball BS. Having Surtain onboard really took the sting out of those 3 corners being drafted in the top 10, thats for sure. Because of the trade, we were able to take Johnson at 15, and rest easy with the fact that we werent sacrificing the secondary for help on the front 7. __________________ She did not open her eyes this morning. I don't know what else to say.
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04-25-2005, 09:23 PM	#15
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1732500	I still think the whole trading down thing is overblown. I don't think it's any big deal to at least answer the phones and listen to offers of people who want to trade down, you never know when somebody is going to make a dumb trade and give you too much. You'd never get any deals done if you didn't. Somehow this is got turned into not being interested. Carl's bullheaded.. he traded out of the first round last year for just a 4th or 5th round pick. If he wants to trade down, he will.
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