Don't you Remember Marty-Ball?? - Page 2

Sportswax · 10-26-2005, 05:22 PM

Didn't anyone on this BB watch Shottenheimer throw away the Chargers game last week with his locked-in, play it safe, Martyball? Going for Field Goals instead of touchdowns cost them the game against the Eagles, who go for it at all costs. I look for Philadelphia to do us another favor when they visit Denver this weekend. The Chiefs will open up a can of OFFENSE, and let the team of Vermeil and Cunningham teach their predecessor a lesson in when to use conservative playcalling. The films of the Chiefs' first six games won't tip their hand with regard to the offensive potential this team possesses. I have a feeling Mr. Martyball has been watching them over his shoulder since draft day.

milkman · 10-26-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

When the Chiefs were nursing a 6 point lead against the Randy Moss and the Raiderz with just under 2 minutes left they ran the ball three times. On the third they picked up the first down. But they still kept it safe.

Different situation.

The Chargers were on the Eagles side of the field.

FloridaChief · 10-26-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

To paraphrase Woody Hayes - When you throw the ball, three things can happen. And two of them are bad.

Ahhh, shades of a Johnny Proctor post....

The memories, the memories....

**alanm** · 10-26-2005, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

People still complain about Saunders passing the ball in the redzone a year ago and it leading to a lucky INT. "You don't throw the ball, hand it to Priest."

Yeah, But that situation was different. We had one yard to go for a TD.

**Skip Towne** · 10-26-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaChief

Ahhh, shades of a Johnny Proctor post....

The memories, the memories....

I think I'll neg rep you.

Sportswax · 10-26-2005, 06:06 PM

Anytime you have fourth and short on the opposing team's side of the field,.... Martyball means going for the Field Goal instead of the TD. Playing it safe only adds 3 points no matter how you look at it.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

It was classic Marty Ball.

San Diego's D held on a 4th and 1. The Chargers got the ball at Philly's 30 yard line.

What did they do?

1-10-PHI30 (3:29) L.Tomlinson up the middle to PHI 28 for 2 yards
2-8-PHI28 (3:27) L.Tomlinson right end to PHI 23 for 5 yards
3-3-PHI23 (3:21) L.Tomlinson up the middle to PHI 22 for 1 yard

You forgot the part about 4rth and long one, kick a field goal, Blocked, now I am behind.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

When Priest is having success, I'd rather see him get the ball in the red zone, but I am also not going to complain about Saunders attacking.

I'll complain about the int, but not about the play call.

Attack, fine. But Puhlease, no more empty backfields when we are attacking. I like sneak attacks myself.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Seriously, a TD at that point would have put it away.

This is what I am talking about when Chiefs fans complain about Saunders passing the ball in similar situations. We should never be afraid to throw the ball.

Fear is what makes for a weak passing game. As far as the Int goes in that game against Texas, one of these days the Chiefs might try an out and up, where Trent fake pumps on teh quick out, then lobs it up and over the guy who is jumping the play.

tk13 · 10-26-2005, 06:23 PM

I'll tell you a play that might show the difference between the two staffs. The OT win vs. Green Bay a couple years ago. We get a fumble... not in FG range but not super far away from it, we were near midfield. First play, we went deep over the top for the TD and the kill, won the game. Does anyone think Marty would've tried that?

milkman · 10-26-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Attack, fine. But Puhlease, no more empty backfields when we are attacking. I like sneak attacks myself.

I agree with that.
The passing game works better if you have to account for the run.

Sportswax · 10-26-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'll tell you a play that might show the difference between the two staffs. The OT win vs. Green Bay a couple years ago. We get a fumble... not in FG range but not super far away from it, we were near midfield. First play, we went deep over the top for the TD and the kill, won the game. Does anyone think Marty would've tried that?

That's one of my favorite Sportbar experiences, and I alluded to that game the other day. It was Maslowski who got the fumble from Green. I had bought all the Packers' fans in the place Grilled Cheese sandwiches when the the Chiefs were losing... swearing to them that Green Bay would fall. They all had to eat their grilled cheese.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'll tell you a play that might show the difference between the two staffs. The OT win vs. Green Bay a couple years ago. We get a fumble... not in FG range but not super far away from it, we were near midfield. First play, we went deep over the top for the TD and the kill, won the game. Does anyone think Marty would've tried that?

Excellent example. I remember that play and thought the same thing, WOW, they go for the throat these days.

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 06:57 PM

I am certain, that Marty wakes up in the middle of the night with cold sweats, always the same nightmare.

The scoreboard reads 3 point lead and 5:00 to go in the Fourth, now what the fug am I GONNA DO. The clock isn't ticking, the players are playing but the clock isn't ticking, how do I get that time off the clock before, before, it isn't ticking , OMG BAMMM he wakes up in the cold sweats.

Takes him about an hour to settle, goes for the shot of Nyquil, takes a pee, then goes back to bed, tosses and turns, can't sleep; so he goes down to his office, turns on the film and grinds. Poor bastard, I almost feel sorry for him. Just not on our time anymore dammit.

Hoover · 10-26-2005, 07:00 PM

So he gets the ball and is in FG range and you terd think he should go deep when a FG seals the deal?

Calcountry · 10-26-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

So he gets the ball and is in FG range and you terd think he should go deep when a FG seals the deal?

Dude, he did the same thing agains the Jets in the playoff game, they missed the FG.

He is haunted by "The Fumble". He doesn't ever want that to happen again, and it has hamstrung his decision making at critical junctures of the game.

He should just say fug it, I am gonna go for it on fourth down and one on the other teams side of the field regardless of the situation for a whole season, just so he won't second guess, see how good it feels, then move on with his life.

How come the Tuna, when he was with the Giants, always went for it on 4rth and one, and usually got the first?

He just has to look at those players and say, I trust you guys, don't let me down. Now go get the job done.

10-26-2005, 05:22 PM
Sportswax Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gulf Breeze, Florida Casino cash: $10004900	Don't you Remember Marty-Ball?? Didn't anyone on this BB watch Shottenheimer throw away the Chargers game last week with his locked-in, play it safe, Martyball? Going for Field Goals instead of touchdowns cost them the game against the Eagles, who go for it at all costs. I look for Philadelphia to do us another favor when they visit Denver this weekend. The Chiefs will open up a can of OFFENSE, and let the team of Vermeil and Cunningham teach their predecessor a lesson in when to use conservative playcalling. The films of the Chiefs' first six games won't tip their hand with regard to the offensive potential this team possesses. I have a feeling Mr. Martyball has been watching them over his shoulder since draft day.
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10-26-2005, 06:06 PM	#20
Sportswax Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gulf Breeze, Florida Casino cash: $10004900	Anytime you have fourth and short on the opposing team's side of the field,.... Martyball means going for the Field Goal instead of the TD. Playing it safe only adds 3 points no matter how you look at it.
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10-26-2005, 06:23 PM	#24
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1717500	I'll tell you a play that might show the difference between the two staffs. The OT win vs. Green Bay a couple years ago. We get a fumble... not in FG range but not super far away from it, we were near midfield. First play, we went deep over the top for the TD and the kill, won the game. Does anyone think Marty would've tried that?
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10-26-2005, 06:57 PM	#28
Calcountry Shoot the tube Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $7527870	I am certain, that Marty wakes up in the middle of the night with cold sweats, always the same nightmare. The scoreboard reads 3 point lead and 5:00 to go in the Fourth, now what the fug am I GONNA DO. The clock isn't ticking, the players are playing but the clock isn't ticking, how do I get that time off the clock before, before, it isn't ticking , OMG BAMMM he wakes up in the cold sweats. Takes him about an hour to settle, goes for the shot of Nyquil, takes a pee, then goes back to bed, tosses and turns, can't sleep; so he goes down to his office, turns on the film and grinds. Poor bastard, I almost feel sorry for him. Just not on our time anymore dammit. __________________
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10-26-2005, 07:00 PM	#29
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1971821	So he gets the ball and is in FG range and you terd think he should go deep when a FG seals the deal?
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