Building a PC

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 10:53 AM

I'm getting to the point where my current PC just can't do what I want of it anymore. I'm considering trying to build my own rather than buying something out of the box.

Two reasons I want to build my own:
1. Price. Can I get a good gamer PC cheaper if I build it?
2. The experience. I like the idea of building something from scratch like that.

My biggest question is, how difficult is it? Specifically, how much do I need to know about computers? I've done enough internal upgrades on my current PC to believe I'll be fine with the nuts and bolts aspect of the job. But I'm not sure I'll be able to troubleshoot problems.

It's like bolting together an engine, but not knowing how to set the timing or get the right mix in the carb.

Would I be getting in over my head?
Is it any cheaper?
Any good resources (books or websites)?

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2005, 11:16 AM

The first question would be what is your budget? If it is high then you can build your own if not Dell always has good deals on PC's which you can get for $400-$600.

IMO building a PC is ALOT more expensive than buying one from Dell, Gateway,..etc because you want the best mobo/cpu, ram, video cards, sound card, etc and that stuff isn't cheap.

But once you build your own you have alot of flexibility if you need to upgrade.

I build my own PC's and I enjoy it alot.

Do a search on google and I am sure you will be able to find alot of tutorials on it.

If you need any help don't be afraid to ask me.

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 11:25 AM

Well the last CP I bought was a $1700 Gateway. I figured my budget would be around $1000-$1500, hoping that would get me a pretty high end system.

I realize a $400 Dell will be a huge improvement over what I have, but I'd rather have something that isn't obsolete in 2 years.

I guess I'll look into it further and see what I find.

htismaqe · 11-08-2005, 11:32 AM

Building is better than buying if you have the time and ambition.

For one, I don't know how many of the pre-built HP's, Dell's, etc. out there use AMD and you definitely want to get an AMD proc.

Assembling a PC is a piece of cake, you can do it no problem. As far as troubleshooting, you've got us.

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 11:32 AM

This is along the lines of what I had in mind. It's an $800 system, with some areas that I would upgrade form the start.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1822645,00.asp

jspchief · 11-08-2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Building is better than buying if you have the time and ambition.

For one, I don't know how many of the pre-built HP's, Dell's, etc. out there use AMD and you definitely want to get an AMD proc.

Assembling a PC is a piece of cake, you can do it no problem. As far as troubleshooting, you've got us.

As soon as the snow starts flying, I have a lot of spare time. As for ambition, I love to get projects 90% done.

I think maybe it's time I got serious about this.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-08-2005, 11:59 AM

I built my own PC. It is pretty simple.

http://www.anandtech.com

They have good hardware reviews and such, plus a HUGE technical forum, that includes hot deals on tech-related items.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2005, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Well the last CP I bought was a $1700 Gateway. I figured my budget would be around $1000-$1500, hoping that would get me a pretty high end system.

I realize a $400 Dell will be a huge improvement over what I have, but I'd rather have something that isn't obsolete in 2 years.

I guess I'll look into it further and see what I find.

You can definitely build a kick-ass system for $1500 that will last you for a few years.

**Saulbadguy** · 11-08-2005, 02:22 PM

If I were going to build another one i'd go with a Shuttle XPC barebone system (case/power supply/motherboard).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...465&Category=3

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2005, 02:44 PM

Here is some ideas

ATX case - make sure it is ATX
400-500w ATX Power Supply - Make sure the power supply will work with your motherboard. Most are standard

ATX Motherboard - I prefer ASUS because there is no configurations that need to be done

AMB 64bit Processor - Depending on what you can afford the bigger the better. Make sure that it works with your motherboard.
I bought my last motherboard/cpu/memory bundle from MonarchComputers. http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv

1gb of RAM at the minimum of course the more the faster - Make sure it works with your motherboard
120GB or larger Hard Drive - Hard Drives are cheap so get the biggest you can afford
High end graphics card - I got a MSI NX6600GT-VTD128 Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 VIVO AGP 4X/8X Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127150

It plays Battlefield 2 flawlessly.

Sound card - I prefer Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy 2 or better
DVD-RW Drive
Mouse
Keyboard
Monitor

I think that is it.

My recommendation and I know some will disagree but I would tell you to buy a motherboard/CPU/RAM bundle because you know that they all work together and that is less that you have to worry about.

Just my .02 cents.

Pants · 11-08-2005, 02:50 PM

$1500 will get you pretty much the best single core and GPU system right now, assuming you keep the old monitor, speakers, etc (unless you buy one of those $1200 processors).

If you don't want to build your own, I'd recommend checking out www.cyberpowerinc.com it's cheap and looks pretty good from what I can tell. Stay away from Dell/Gateway/etc...

Swanman · 11-08-2005, 03:12 PM

Check out www.tigerdirect.com. It seems like a great place to buy stuff at reasonable prices to build a computer. Their U.S. warehouse is in Naperville, IL, about 2 miles from me, so I can check the website and then go to the warehouse to pick it up instead of waiting on shipping.

Tiger also has some insane gaming computers inside your price range.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2005, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swanman

Check out www.tigerdirect.com. It seems like a great place to buy stuff at reasonable prices to build a computer. Their U.S. warehouse is in Naperville, IL, about 2 miles from me, so I can check the website and then go to the warehouse to pick it up instead of waiting on shipping.

Tiger also has some insane gaming computers inside your price range.

I was going to buy some of my PC stuff from TigerDirect because they are super cheap until I read all of the horror stories and bad recommendations about them.

I would be very leery of them if I was you.

wolfpack0735 · 11-08-2005, 03:31 PM

I also wouldn't recommend tigerdirect..... bought son's laptop there. First one was cancelled and not a notification or refund of money. Went somewhere else to get it.
Might also try www.cyberguys.com Even compusa has parts to build what your wanting.

AeroSquid · 11-08-2005, 03:55 PM

dirk digler- a 6600GT is a high end graphics card? :chortle:

NVidia just released a new mid range card- 6800GS It should be on stores next week and is about as fast as the 6800GT.

My tips on a BYO pc-

AMD 64 or AMD X2
there is nothing else even worth talking about here.

Asus mobo for stability, DFI for overclocking

1gb of low latency pc3200 (2gb is still overkill, and DDR2 is coming Q2 of 06)

XP-90 or SI-120 + panaflo 92/120mm fan
no substitutes here, these are the best heat skink/fan combos you can get today.

LiteOn or NEC dvd burner

NCQ enabled hard drive with 16mb cache (almost as fast as a Raptor with more space and half the price)

onboard sound is fine unless you're an audiofile (and have very expensive speakers)

a GOOD NAME BRAND power supply. don't cheap out on that, it can kill yuo're whole system.

11-08-2005, 10:53 AM
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Building a PC I'm getting to the point where my current PC just can't do what I want of it anymore. I'm considering trying to build my own rather than buying something out of the box. Two reasons I want to build my own: 1. Price. Can I get a good gamer PC cheaper if I build it? 2. The experience. I like the idea of building something from scratch like that. My biggest question is, how difficult is it? Specifically, how much do I need to know about computers? I've done enough internal upgrades on my current PC to believe I'll be fine with the nuts and bolts aspect of the job. But I'm not sure I'll be able to troubleshoot problems. It's like bolting together an engine, but not knowing how to set the timing or get the right mix in the carb. Would I be getting in over my head? Is it any cheaper? Any good resources (books or websites)?
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11-08-2005, 11:16 AM	#2
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $3014644	The first question would be what is your budget? If it is high then you can build your own if not Dell always has good deals on PC's which you can get for $400-$600. IMO building a PC is ALOT more expensive than buying one from Dell, Gateway,..etc because you want the best mobo/cpu, ram, video cards, sound card, etc and that stuff isn't cheap. But once you build your own you have alot of flexibility if you need to upgrade. I build my own PC's and I enjoy it alot. Do a search on google and I am sure you will be able to find alot of tutorials on it. If you need any help don't be afraid to ask me.
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11-08-2005, 11:25 AM	#3
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Well the last CP I bought was a $1700 Gateway. I figured my budget would be around $1000-$1500, hoping that would get me a pretty high end system. I realize a $400 Dell will be a huge improvement over what I have, but I'd rather have something that isn't obsolete in 2 years. I guess I'll look into it further and see what I find. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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11-08-2005, 11:32 AM	#4
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Building is better than buying if you have the time and ambition. For one, I don't know how many of the pre-built HP's, Dell's, etc. out there use AMD and you definitely want to get an AMD proc. Assembling a PC is a piece of cake, you can do it no problem. As far as troubleshooting, you've got us.
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11-08-2005, 11:32 AM	#5
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	This is along the lines of what I had in mind. It's an $800 system, with some areas that I would upgrade form the start. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1822645,00.asp __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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11-08-2005, 11:59 AM	#7
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $2366966	I built my own PC. It is pretty simple. http://www.anandtech.com They have good hardware reviews and such, plus a HUGE technical forum, that includes hot deals on tech-related items. __________________ http://www.goemaw.com
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11-08-2005, 02:22 PM	#9
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $2366966	If I were going to build another one i'd go with a Shuttle XPC barebone system (case/power supply/motherboard). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...465&Category=3 __________________ http://www.goemaw.com
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11-08-2005, 02:44 PM	#10
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $3014644	Here is some ideas ATX case - make sure it is ATX 400-500w ATX Power Supply - Make sure the power supply will work with your motherboard. Most are standard ATX Motherboard - I prefer ASUS because there is no configurations that need to be done AMB 64bit Processor - Depending on what you can afford the bigger the better. Make sure that it works with your motherboard. I bought my last motherboard/cpu/memory bundle from MonarchComputers. http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv 1gb of RAM at the minimum of course the more the faster - Make sure it works with your motherboard 120GB or larger Hard Drive - Hard Drives are cheap so get the biggest you can afford High end graphics card - I got a MSI NX6600GT-VTD128 Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 VIVO AGP 4X/8X Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127150 It plays Battlefield 2 flawlessly. Sound card - I prefer Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy 2 or better DVD-RW Drive Mouse Keyboard Monitor I think that is it. My recommendation and I know some will disagree but I would tell you to buy a motherboard/CPU/RAM bundle because you know that they all work together and that is less that you have to worry about. Just my .02 cents.
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11-08-2005, 02:50 PM	#11
Pants Time Keeps On Slipping Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5559900	$1500 will get you pretty much the best single core and GPU system right now, assuming you keep the old monitor, speakers, etc (unless you buy one of those $1200 processors). If you don't want to build your own, I'd recommend checking out www.cyberpowerinc.com it's cheap and looks pretty good from what I can tell. Stay away from Dell/Gateway/etc... __________________ "Turn the channel to 26!"
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11-08-2005, 03:12 PM	#12
Swanman It's a league game, Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Itasca, IL Casino cash: $9967354	Check out www.tigerdirect.com. It seems like a great place to buy stuff at reasonable prices to build a computer. Their U.S. warehouse is in Naperville, IL, about 2 miles from me, so I can check the website and then go to the warehouse to pick it up instead of waiting on shipping. Tiger also has some insane gaming computers inside your price range.
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11-08-2005, 03:31 PM	#14
wolfpack0735 buttnaked is the only way tobe Join Date: May 2001 Location: B/T lost & nowhere in ks. Casino cash: $10008827	I also wouldn't recommend tigerdirect..... bought son's laptop there. First one was cancelled and not a notification or refund of money. Went somewhere else to get it. Might also try www.cyberguys.com Even compusa has parts to build what your wanting. __________________ Three most important things in life... Chiefs football, Beer and women, all in that order!! Adopt - A - Chief Willie Lanier Old enough to remember WHAT a Super Bowl is!!
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11-08-2005, 03:55 PM	#15
AeroSquid we are 138 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: K.C. Casino cash: $9999900	dirk digler- a 6600GT is a high end graphics card? :chortle: NVidia just released a new mid range card- 6800GS It should be on stores next week and is about as fast as the 6800GT. My tips on a BYO pc- AMD 64 or AMD X2 there is nothing else even worth talking about here. Asus mobo for stability, DFI for overclocking 1gb of low latency pc3200 (2gb is still overkill, and DDR2 is coming Q2 of 06) XP-90 or SI-120 + panaflo 92/120mm fan no substitutes here, these are the best heat skink/fan combos you can get today. LiteOn or NEC dvd burner NCQ enabled hard drive with 16mb cache (almost as fast as a Raptor with more space and half the price) onboard sound is fine unless you're an audiofile (and have very expensive speakers) a GOOD NAME BRAND power supply. don't cheap out on that, it can kill yuo're whole system.
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