NY Newsday: Speculation persists despite Herm's denials

tk13 · 01-02-2006, 08:33 PM

http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/foot...orts-headlines

Speculation persists despite what Herm says

BY KEN BERGER
STAFF WRITER

January 3, 2006

Herman Edwards made his most emphatic statement yet about his intention to return to coach the Jets in 2006, but his words did little to quell speculation about his future.

"I'm happy to be the coach here and I'm going to be the coach here," Edwards said in his season-ending news conference, less than 24 hours after the Jets beat the Bills, 30-26, to finish 4-12 -- the worst record in Edwards' five seasons as coach.

But a person with knowledge of the team's situation said yesterday that as many as four teams, including the Chiefs, are expected to contact the Jets to ask permission to interview Edwards.

Dick Vermeil, who retired as Kansas City's coach, and Chiefs president Carl Peterson will hold their season-ending news conference today. It is believed that the Chiefs are delaying any inquiries about coaches who are under contract until after that, out of respect for Vermeil.

In addition, two people with knowledge of the Chiefs' situation said the organization is reluctant to pay draft-pick compensation for a coach after giving up a second- and third-round pick for Vermeil. It is possible that their initial offer to the Jets for Edwards would be to absorb the final two years on his contract, and draft-pick negotiations could flow from there.

A Jets spokesman said no team had asked the Jets for permission to interview Edwards as of last night. Edwards and general manager Terry Bradway will address the media for the final time this season Thursday. Edwards' agent, Gary O'Hagan of IMG, said, "I have no comment" and hung up the phone when reached yesterday.

Six jobs already are open: Kansas City, New Orleans, Houston, Green Bay, Minnesota and St. Louis. Decisions are pending in Detroit and Oakland. Any interest in Edwards could force Jets owner Woody Johnson to consider extending Edwards' contract for the second time in two years.

Most players left for the offseason believing that Edwards will return, but the uncertainty was palpable.

"He gave us his word saying he wasn't going anywhere," defensive end Shaun Ellis said, referring to a speech Edwards made to the team in October. "But when a person gives you an opportunity, you've got to take a serious look at it."

siberian khatru · 01-02-2006, 08:35 PM

I just don't see the guy as being worth giving up draft picks.

Deberg_1990 · 01-02-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I just don't see the guy as being worth giving up draft picks.

Agreed, hes a decent coach, but if we have to give up picks for this guy im gonna puke. Carl has a massive Hard-On for the guy.

KChiefs1 · 01-02-2006, 08:44 PM

If the Chiefs have to lose draft picks for Herm.....foget about it!

Saunders or Stoops would be better...

FringeNC · 01-02-2006, 08:46 PM

I just get this bad feeling Herm would retain Gunther Cunningham.

Alphaman · 01-02-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I just don't see the guy as being worth giving up draft picks.

I'm still not convinced league rules allow for trading picks to acquire a coach.

No picks for coaches

NFL nixes draft picks for coaches
Teams no longer can give up picks for compensation, like the Bucs did for Gruden.
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
© St. Petersburg Times
published January 17, 2003

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TAMPA -- Jon Gruden led the Bucs to a franchise-record 12 victories, a division title and a berth in Sunday's NFC Championship Game against the Eagles. You would have to agree the trade Tampa Bay made with the Raiders for the rights to Gruden is an unqualified success.

Now such a deal is against league rules.

The league Thursday banned the type of trade that enabled the Bucs to sign Gruden. The new policy was announced in a memo to all 32 teams by commissioner Paul Tagliabue, league spokesman Greg Aiello said.

Tagliabue acted after the competition committee concluded that such coach-for-picks trades might be undermining the purpose of the draft.

The co-chairman of the competition committee is Bucs general manager Rich McKay, whose team has reaped the benefits of such a trade.

The Bucs ended a 36-day coaching search by trading two first-round picks, two second-round picks and $8-million to the Raiders for the rights to Gruden, who had a year left on his contract.

Three weeks ago, the Bucs attempted to receive compensation from the Cowboys for the rights to hire Bill Parcells, revealing the two-time Super Bowl-winning coach had signed a four-year contract to coach Tampa Bay a year ago.

But the contract never was submitted to the league office for approval and Tagliabue ruled no compensation was owed.

McKay declined comment Thursday.

The league's owners can decide whether to restore the right to trade draft picks for coaches at their annual meeting March 22-26 in Phoenix.

The league's new policy is not restricted to head coaches. It prevents draft picks from being used to sign anyone under contract with another team, including assistants, front-office personnel or scouts.

Gruden is the latest success story for teams that have been bold enough to package draft picks to hire coaches under contract with other teams.

In 1997, the Jets sent draft picks to New England to acquire the rights to Parcells. Two years later, Parcells led the Jets to the AFC Championship Game.

In 2000, the Patriots sent draft picks to the Jets to hire coach Bill Belichick, who was under contract. Last season, Belichick led New England to the Super Bowl XXXVI title.

This is not the first time the competition committee recommended the league reconsider its policy of swapping picks for coaches. Three years ago it presented its concerns to ownership about teams attempting to receive compensation for assistants.

After firing Tony Dungy and having Parcells renege on a deal to coach Tampa Bay and remain retired, Bucs owners targeted coaches under contract.

First, they offered the 49ers a package of undisclosed draft picks for the rights to Steve Mariucci, who ultimately walked away from an offer to become coach and general manager.

That prompted Bucs vice presidents Joel and Bryan Glazer to call Raiders general partner Al Davis and offer a king's ransom of top picks for the rights to Gruden.

Both teams benefited. The Raiders host Tennessee in the AFC Championship Game while the Bucs travel to Philadelphia for the NFC title game.

siberian khatru · 01-02-2006, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphaman

I'm still not convinced league rules allow for trading picks to acquire a coach.

No picks for coaches

NFL nixes draft picks for coaches
Teams no longer can give up picks for compensation, like the Bucs did for Gruden.
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
© St. Petersburg Times
published January 17, 2003

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TAMPA -- Jon Gruden led the Bucs to a franchise-record 12 victories, a division title and a berth in Sunday's NFC Championship Game against the Eagles. You would have to agree the trade Tampa Bay made with the Raiders for the rights to Gruden is an unqualified success.

Now such a deal is against league rules.

The league Thursday banned the type of trade that enabled the Bucs to sign Gruden. The new policy was announced in a memo to all 32 teams by commissioner Paul Tagliabue, league spokesman Greg Aiello said.

Tagliabue acted after the competition committee concluded that such coach-for-picks trades might be undermining the purpose of the draft.

The co-chairman of the competition committee is Bucs general manager Rich McKay, whose team has reaped the benefits of such a trade.

The Bucs ended a 36-day coaching search by trading two first-round picks, two second-round picks and $8-million to the Raiders for the rights to Gruden, who had a year left on his contract.

Three weeks ago, the Bucs attempted to receive compensation from the Cowboys for the rights to hire Bill Parcells, revealing the two-time Super Bowl-winning coach had signed a four-year contract to coach Tampa Bay a year ago.

But the contract never was submitted to the league office for approval and Tagliabue ruled no compensation was owed.

McKay declined comment Thursday.

The league's owners can decide whether to restore the right to trade draft picks for coaches at their annual meeting March 22-26 in Phoenix.

The league's new policy is not restricted to head coaches. It prevents draft picks from being used to sign anyone under contract with another team, including assistants, front-office personnel or scouts.

Gruden is the latest success story for teams that have been bold enough to package draft picks to hire coaches under contract with other teams.

In 1997, the Jets sent draft picks to New England to acquire the rights to Parcells. Two years later, Parcells led the Jets to the AFC Championship Game.

In 2000, the Patriots sent draft picks to the Jets to hire coach Bill Belichick, who was under contract. Last season, Belichick led New England to the Super Bowl XXXVI title.

This is not the first time the competition committee recommended the league reconsider its policy of swapping picks for coaches. Three years ago it presented its concerns to ownership about teams attempting to receive compensation for assistants.

After firing Tony Dungy and having Parcells renege on a deal to coach Tampa Bay and remain retired, Bucs owners targeted coaches under contract.

First, they offered the 49ers a package of undisclosed draft picks for the rights to Steve Mariucci, who ultimately walked away from an offer to become coach and general manager.

That prompted Bucs vice presidents Joel and Bryan Glazer to call Raiders general partner Al Davis and offer a king's ransom of top picks for the rights to Gruden.

Both teams benefited. The Raiders host Tennessee in the AFC Championship Game while the Bucs travel to Philadelphia for the NFC title game.

The Pastabelly (I think it was him) article contradicts that.

**banyon** · 01-02-2006, 09:10 PM

I don't know what the rule is now, but the rule should be that a team has to give up draft choices. Otherwise its too much like coach free agency.

Alphaman · 01-02-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

The Pastabelly (I think it was him) article contradicts that.

Do you have a link for that article?

Alphaman · 01-02-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

I don't know what the rule is now, but the rule should be that a team has to give up draft choices. Otherwise its too much like coach free agency.

I disagree. If the coach is under contract, the team can still refuse permission to interview the guy. It's up to the team he's under contract with whether or not they are willing to let him out of his contract. I could see them saying they have to pay a buyout (i.e. cash).

Chiefnj · 01-02-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphaman

Do you have a link for that article?

Look for a thread from this afternoon started by shortbuskid.

milkman · 01-02-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Look for a thread from this afternoon started by shortbuskid.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=132730

siberian khatru · 01-02-2006, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Do you have a link for that article?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=132730

**banyon** · 01-02-2006, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphaman

I disagree. If the coach is under contract, the team can still refuse permission to interview the guy. It's up to the team he's under contract with whether or not they are willing to let him out of his contract. I could see them saying they have to pay a buyout (i.e. cash).

That's true under the rules, but fans with a cheapskate owner (like the old vikings owner, or if David Glass owned a football team) might potentially lose their good coaches to teams with higher revenues (like the Redskins).

teedubya · 01-02-2006, 09:33 PM

in 2000, wasnt Bill Belichek coach of the Jets for like 2-3 days before turning it down to go to New England?

Wow... what could have been for the Jets.

I vaguely recall such a situation.

01-02-2006, 08:33 PM
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1752500	NY Newsday: Speculation persists despite Herm's denials http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/foot...orts-headlines Speculation persists despite what Herm says BY KEN BERGER STAFF WRITER January 3, 2006 Herman Edwards made his most emphatic statement yet about his intention to return to coach the Jets in 2006, but his words did little to quell speculation about his future. "I'm happy to be the coach here and I'm going to be the coach here," Edwards said in his season-ending news conference, less than 24 hours after the Jets beat the Bills, 30-26, to finish 4-12 -- the worst record in Edwards' five seasons as coach. But a person with knowledge of the team's situation said yesterday that as many as four teams, including the Chiefs, are expected to contact the Jets to ask permission to interview Edwards. Dick Vermeil, who retired as Kansas City's coach, and Chiefs president Carl Peterson will hold their season-ending news conference today. It is believed that the Chiefs are delaying any inquiries about coaches who are under contract until after that, out of respect for Vermeil. In addition, two people with knowledge of the Chiefs' situation said the organization is reluctant to pay draft-pick compensation for a coach after giving up a second- and third-round pick for Vermeil. It is possible that their initial offer to the Jets for Edwards would be to absorb the final two years on his contract, and draft-pick negotiations could flow from there. A Jets spokesman said no team had asked the Jets for permission to interview Edwards as of last night. Edwards and general manager Terry Bradway will address the media for the final time this season Thursday. Edwards' agent, Gary O'Hagan of IMG, said, "I have no comment" and hung up the phone when reached yesterday. Six jobs already are open: Kansas City, New Orleans, Houston, Green Bay, Minnesota and St. Louis. Decisions are pending in Detroit and Oakland. Any interest in Edwards could force Jets owner Woody Johnson to consider extending Edwards' contract for the second time in two years. Most players left for the offseason believing that Edwards will return, but the uncertainty was palpable. "He gave us his word saying he wasn't going anywhere," defensive end Shaun Ellis said, referring to a speech Edwards made to the team in October. "But when a person gives you an opportunity, you've got to take a serious look at it."
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