LJ's Problem - Page 2

Jilly · 10-09-2006, 01:55 PM

This may have been addressed in another thread and if so, point me there... But, what do you think LJ's problem is this year?

Is it that he isn't running angry?
Is it that Herm's loudly proclaimed our offense to be a running offense and so it's predictable?
Is it that we have no good lead blocker?
Is it that we miss Willie Roaf?

I'm sure it's a combo, but...what do you think?

KC Jones · 10-09-2006, 06:23 PM

LJ's only real problem is coughing up the ball.

Rising Sun · 10-10-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jilly

This may have been addressed in another thread and if so, point me there... But, what do you think LJ's problem is this year?

Is it that he isn't running angry?
Is it that Herm's loudly proclaimed our offense to be a running offense and so it's predictable?
Is it that we have no good lead blocker?
Is it that we miss Willie Roaf?

I'm sure it's a combo, but...what do you think?

Our offense is too predictable. The lead blocker is overrated, because if you remember when we were mixing up our plays last year, LJ did most of his damage without a fullback in the game. We do miss Willie Roaf, but hes not going to block 8 or 9 men by himself. The only thing that will stop herm from running repeatedly into a stacked box is a deficit on the scoreboard. Our offense gets dictated to, rather than dictating the game to the defense.

**morphius** · 10-10-2006, 10:53 AM

We have also tried to run a lot of a formation where we have 10 men in the box and 1 WR out in the flat. Which means instead of having to worry about 7 or 8 in the box we have 10 defenders in the box as well. I'm not sure why we keep lining up in this short yardage formation, but damn it, spread the D out a bit.

Rising Sun · 10-10-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius

We have also tried to run a lot of a formation where we have 10 men in the box and 1 WR out in the flat. Which means instead of having to worry about 7 or 8 in the box we have 10 defenders in the box as well. I'm not sure why we keep lining up in this short yardage formation, but damn it, spread the D out a bit.

Agreed. Why have we gotten away from the spread formation? Ill take LJ running the ball in a spread formation any day. Spread formations just arent herms cup of tea. He likes his offense like jack daniels, aged from another decade.

boogblaster · 10-10-2006, 11:17 AM

Yep that it..no spreads to move the D.out of the middle..they stack up and stop LJ for short yardage..more play action is needed too....

bringbackmarty · 10-10-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

I blame Halliburton.

same damnn thing.

CoMoChief · 10-10-2006, 11:28 AM

Well let's see....

1. Trent Green is out, so teams are going to focus on stopping LJ to make our backup QB Huard beat them.

2. Roaf and Welbourn and Turley aren't playing. Losing your HOF LT and former starting RT in one offseason won't help one bit. Not to mention we lose Roaf's replacement to a back injury.

3. LJ is a marked man, period. Teams know we are a running team, teams will stack 8-9 people in the box to stop the run, combine that with a not so good Oline like we have had in the past can make it tough for LJ to gain.

Everything starts with the Oline on offense. Priest Holmes was good because of our Oline. Derick Blaylock filled in well because of our Oline. Larry Johnson last season produced all of those number because of our Oline. Trent Green wasn't injured for 5 seasons because of our Oline. We don't have the Oline we once had. Granted the talent level of the RB factors in, but after the RB has surpassed the first level of defensive players.

God Damn do I miss Roaf. Roaf at 60% is better than 90% of the OT's in this league. But he doesnt wanna play so I guess theres no choice but to respect his decision. I just wish he made it final before the draft. There were some good OT's in this seasons draft.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-10-2006, 11:30 AM

Somehow, his head is not it the game either. He's fumbled STUPIDLY in 2 games now, both pretty critical situations. Denver game is a W (probably...)if he does not fumble there. Also, he was pretty much soley responsible for the early sack on Huard with the wiff block against AZ. As soon as I saw play action, I was like, OK LJ, you need to block...he got smoked.

As good as he is a runner, he still has some mental issues and some blocking issues. Add to that TRich is gone, Roaf and Welborne not blocking, and I think we are seeing that LJ has the potential to be...ordinary...unless he can get his head out of his arse...

...not throwing him under the bus, btw. That play where he was facemasked gave me hope (before the facemask, of course). He's still there, but he's got to get his head in it.

Rising Sun · 10-10-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Well let's see....

1. Trent Green is out, so teams are going to focus on stopping LJ to make our backup QB Huard beat them.

2. Roaf and Welbourn and Turley aren't playing. Losing your HOF LT and former starting RT in one offseason won't help one bit. Not to mention we lose Roaf's replacement to a back injury.

3. LJ is a marked man, period. Teams know we are a running team, teams will stack 8-9 people in the box to stop the run, combine that with a not so good Oline like we have had in the past can make it tough for LJ to gain.

Everything starts with the Oline on offense. Priest Holmes was good because of our Oline. Derick Blaylock filled in well because of our Oline. Larry Johnson last season produced all of those number because of our Oline. Trent Green wasn't injured for 5 seasons because of our Oline. We don't have the Oline we once had. Granted the talent level of the RB factors in, but after the RB has surpassed the first level of defensive players.

God Damn do I miss Roaf. Roaf at 60% is better than 90% of the OT's in this league. But he doesnt wanna play so I guess theres no choice but to respect his decision. I just wish he made it final before the draft. There were some good OT's in this seasons draft.

Trent is out, but Huard has shown an ability, but the coaches are scared shitless of turning the ball over, so they wont let him try.

How about gameplanning against a stacked front? Maybe spread them out to open up some running lanes? No, we play right into their hands and run tight formations to keep everything in a tiny area.

Blaylock looked like ass even behind our oline. Remember before we drafted LJ and Priest went down, and Blaylock laid out that embarrassing performance to end the season?

Rising Sun · 10-10-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Somehow, his head is not it the game either. He's fumbled STUPIDLY in 2 games now, both pretty critical situations. Denver game is a W (probably...)if he does not fumble there. Also, he was pretty much soley responsible for the early sack on Huard with the wiff block against AZ. As soon as I saw play action, I was like, OK LJ, you need to block...he got smoked.

As good as he is a runner, he still has some mental issues and some blocking issues. Add to that TRich is gone, Roaf and Welborne not blocking, and I think we are seeing that LJ has the potential to be...ordinary...unless he can get his head out of his arse...

...not throwing him under the bus, btw. That play where he was facemasked gave me hope (before the facemask, of course). He's still there, but he's got to get his head in it.

A fumble does in no way mean that your head isnt it in the game. Sometimes the defense just makes a good play on the ball, like in his second fumble. Theres no excuse for the first fumble, but i would be willing to bet he was in a big hurry because he was surprised that noone was in the backfield to hit him as he took the handoff.

We didnt lose the denver game because LJ fumbled. The game never got away from us. The reason we lost to denver was because our offense went in a shell at the end, because Herm is conservative. When you go on the road and play not to lose, your surely not going to win, and thats exactly what happened at denver, no way around it.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-10-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rising Sun

A fumble does in no way mean that your head isnt it in the game. Sometimes the defense just makes a good play on the ball, like in his second fumble. Theres no excuse for the first fumble, but i would be willing to bet he was in a big hurry because he was surprised that noone was in the backfield to hit him as he took the handoff.

We didnt lose the denver game because LJ fumbled. The game never got away from us. The reason we lost to denver was because our offense went in a shell at the end, because Herm is conservative. When you go on the road and play not to lose, your surely not going to win, and thats exactly what happened at denver, no way around it.

Agreed. I guess the fumble is part of the game, and who knows how the game would have played out had we scored a touchdown on that drive rather than fumble it. But, getting a TD or even an early FG in that game would have made a point difference, so who knows.

We lost at Denver because we were'nt ready to be the Chiefs offense yet. Huard is getting better and better, so hopefully that won't be an issue down the road. As much, anyway.

DJJasonp · 10-10-2006, 02:17 PM

I mentioned in a previous thread....

The best cure for any ills that LJ might be having (mental focus, etc.).....is Priest Holmes receiving a clean bill of health from the doctors....

Then it's back to angry LJ again....problem solved!

Sorce · 10-10-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rising Sun

The only thing that will stop herm from running repeatedly into a stacked box is a deficit on the scoreboard.

I have no problem running into a stacked box as long as we're taking shots down field and lighting them up that way. The 49ers game LJ didn't have a lot of success but we kept at it. We showed we weren't going to abandon the run and they had to respect it. Because of this we were able to pass all over them.

In these situations we should run the PA pass and take shots at them deep. They'll either back off the run and let LJ do something or they'll stick with it and get torched through the air.

vailpass · 10-10-2006, 02:38 PM

Do you mean to say that injuries and changes in the O line, combined with the fact that LJ is a full time starter so opposing Ds scheme for him, has an effect on his performance?
What a concept. How special.

Frazod · 10-10-2006, 02:49 PM

His problem - fucking butterfingers. Cost us one game we damn well should have won (Denver) and almost cost us another.

To hell with analysis and excuses. He's paid millions of dollars to carry the ball. Hold onto the goddamn thing.

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morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6785027	We have also tried to run a lot of a formation where we have 10 men in the box and 1 WR out in the flat. Which means instead of having to worry about 7 or 8 in the box we have 10 defenders in the box as well. I'm not sure why we keep lining up in this short yardage formation, but damn it, spread the D out a bit.
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10-10-2006, 11:17 AM	#20
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	Yep that it..no spreads to move the D.out of the middle..they stack up and stop LJ for short yardage..more play action is needed too....
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10-10-2006, 11:28 AM	#22
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8012254	Well let's see.... 1. Trent Green is out, so teams are going to focus on stopping LJ to make our backup QB Huard beat them. 2. Roaf and Welbourn and Turley aren't playing. Losing your HOF LT and former starting RT in one offseason won't help one bit. Not to mention we lose Roaf's replacement to a back injury. 3. LJ is a marked man, period. Teams know we are a running team, teams will stack 8-9 people in the box to stop the run, combine that with a not so good Oline like we have had in the past can make it tough for LJ to gain. Everything starts with the Oline on offense. Priest Holmes was good because of our Oline. Derick Blaylock filled in well because of our Oline. Larry Johnson last season produced all of those number because of our Oline. Trent Green wasn't injured for 5 seasons because of our Oline. We don't have the Oline we once had. Granted the talent level of the RB factors in, but after the RB has surpassed the first level of defensive players. God Damn do I miss Roaf. Roaf at 60% is better than 90% of the OT's in this league. But he doesnt wanna play so I guess theres no choice but to respect his decision. I just wish he made it final before the draft. There were some good OT's in this seasons draft.
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10-10-2006, 11:30 AM	#23
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $3484937	Somehow, his head is not it the game either. He's fumbled STUPIDLY in 2 games now, both pretty critical situations. Denver game is a W (probably...)if he does not fumble there. Also, he was pretty much soley responsible for the early sack on Huard with the wiff block against AZ. As soon as I saw play action, I was like, OK LJ, you need to block...he got smoked. As good as he is a runner, he still has some mental issues and some blocking issues. Add to that TRich is gone, Roaf and Welborne not blocking, and I think we are seeing that LJ has the potential to be...ordinary...unless he can get his head out of his arse... ...not throwing him under the bus, btw. That play where he was facemasked gave me hope (before the facemask, of course). He's still there, but he's got to get his head in it. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $1555200	I mentioned in a previous thread.... The best cure for any ills that LJ might be having (mental focus, etc.).....is Priest Holmes receiving a clean bill of health from the doctors.... Then it's back to angry LJ again....problem solved! __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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10-10-2006, 02:49 PM	#30
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2695085	His problem - fucking butterfingers. Cost us one game we damn well should have won (Denver) and almost cost us another. To hell with analysis and excuses. He's paid millions of dollars to carry the ball. Hold onto the goddamn thing.
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