Why is it so quiet here...

[pauly24_76]

Last I checked its Raider week and possibly the most important game of the season. I'll be in Harrisburg Pa. at a bar called Zembies cheering my a$$ of in the corner by myself wearing beers from Redskin and Eagles fans.

When I take that first yuengilng bottle over the head I'm gonna need some Chief karma to bring me back to conciseness.

Lets let the dogs out!!! (sorry Mr. Dole)

[Red Till Dead]

I can sympathize with the bar thing... I'll be at Willies in Cincinnati where Raider fans love to turn up and heckle. Fortunately, I have 6 or 7 other loyal Chief fans to help me give it right back to them!
We've made such an impact at this place, that we've been interviewed on local T.V.!
Here's hoping the Chiefs bring the "A" team on the field today!

[ptlyon]

It's the calm before the storm!
The Raiders have had their way the last 2 games and the Chiefs are going to put an end to that today. They will dominate the Raiders on their homefield. They will lay to rest this idea the Raiders seem to have that they are the best team in this division.

THE CHIEFS WILL TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS!!!!!
I HATE THE RAIDERS!!!!!!!!

Thanks, Otter. Bob Dole truly appreciates it...

It wasn't bad enough to hear that crap at Wal-Mart yesterday afternoon (and for the record, Bob Dole actually yelled "turn that crap off"), but now Bob Dole has to be subjected to it while in sanctuary.

Bob Dole supposes since it's Raider week, Bob Dole will just let the anger build and unleash it on some Raider fans later today. (Verbally--no knives, mind you.)

[ddpatterson]

Bob Dole,
We appreciate your diescretion regarding the knives. However. might I suggest that you keep yourself in a position that doesn't show RaidaFan your back.
On another note, I have a question. Which team's fans began the use of the Tomahawk chop and chant? I was watching Florida State-Clemson last night, and the Seminole fans began the chant. My wife, from the other room asked "Who stole your Tomahawk Chant?"

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[b]Red Eyes[/b]
A message to The Three Stooges from Judge Smaels.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too"

Bob Dole is not up on the history of the chant. Seems like there was a thread arguing that point a few weeks back, though.

Bob Dole has his back covered. Bob Dole's assigned seat at the bar places Bob Dole's back against a brick support column.

Silly bastiges would be advised not to bring a knife to a gunfight, anyway...

Here's an interesting history of the chant/chop from an <a href="http://seminoles.fansonly.com/trads/fsu-trads-chant.html">FSU perspective</a>.

[ddpatterson]

Thanks Bob Dole,
Fairly interesting. But it doesn't really answer the question does it? The piece could almost be described as noncommital and evasive.

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[b]Red Eyes[/b]
A message to The Three Stooges from Judge Smaels.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too"

Bob Dole thought the same thing. Curiously, everyone's but FSU was assigned a specific year and FSU got a fuzzy decade.

And another article <a href="http://web.cln.com/archives/atlanta/newsstand/080198/v_jazz.htm">attributes the chop to Atlanta's stadium organist</a>.

[ddpatterson]

Maybe I'm just a Chief homer, and I want to remember it this way, but I believe I remember the Tomahawk chop and chant in KC in the early 70's, and these two articles date the Seminoles' chop and chant in the mid eighties, evolving from earlier songs and cheers. and the Braves only goes back 11 years.
Is that how you read it Bob Dole?

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[b]Red Eyes[/b]
A message to The Three Stooges from Judge Smaels.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too"

Bob Dole read the FSU article as claiming that one of their alum brought it to KC as band director for Northwest Missouri State in 1969, but reads no substantial evidence that it truly existed at FSU prior to that year.

As you said...evasive.

Most of the articles thus far attribute the origin to FSU, but grant the Braves the "honor" of using it as a successful marketing tool.

Bob Dole is content with that. While Bob Dole is certainly not PC (those few here that have met Bob Dole in person can probably attest to that), Bob Dole would have no problem if it never again reared its head at Arrowhead.

The Chiefs organization, in general, has escaped much of the wrath of Native Americans, which is typically aimed at high schools, Cleveland, Atlanta and FSU. We've stuck to an arrowhead logo and have a ridiculous wolf as a mascot. We eliminated Warpaint and instead have that poor b@stard who has to circle the entire field carrying a giant flag. The Chiefs have been generally cooperative and Bob Dole thinks that reflects well on the organization and the community, while still maintaining some sense of tradition.

[ddpatterson]

I don't really care about PC when it comes to sports, team names, logos, mascots et al, but the one place that you think shold be PC is DC, and yet, there they are, the Redskins. And it seems that they are without controversy in the PC arena. Even the Sad Diego ST. Aztecs have come under fire recently!

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[b]Red Eyes[/b]
A message to The Three Stooges from Judge Smaels.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too"

Bob Dole's point was that the KC organization has been generally respectful of Native American's wishes by attempting to eliminate sterotypes.

It's the least we can do after killing them without any real justification, referring to them as savages in our Declaration of Independence, and forcing them to try to exist in a capitalist society on the barren lands that European immigrants didn't want.

Bob Dole probably should leave it at that...

[ddpatterson]

[b]HELLO[/b]....HELLO..Hello..hello.lo.
The place is echoing now!

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[b]Red Eyes[/b]
A message to The Three Stooges from Judge Smaels.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too"