Best QB ever? - Page 4

sedated · 03-01-2007, 10:21 PM

Settle an argument.

Who is the best QB ever?

What more important? Stats vs. Rings

Montana
Marino
Manning
Brady
Young
Aikman
Unitas
Starr
Favre
Bradshaw
Namath
Staubach
Theisman
(forgive me, planet)

Elway
Kelly
(for the

fan)Warner

Who am I forgetting?

(not posting a poll because I know I'm missing someone)

Halfcan · 03-02-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

WHAT?

You are saying that Joe Montana never had to carry his team? You're nuts dude. Remember the Super Bowl against Cincy, the second one? Wow, you've got to put your bias aside - Yes Elway is one of the best ever, but not THE best ever. When people say Joe Montana had the best team because of the salary cap thing is totally bogus, the only Ring they ever paid for was the one Steve Young won against San Diego. Jerry Rice aside, who else on that team was the best at their position during his career by the way? What, Roger Craig? Please dude, you've got to come stronger than that.

I agree-you forgot to add all the passes Elgay got away with throwing well beyond the line of scrimmage, the Cheatin Donks cheatin the cap during the SB years, and his Oline being greased up on game day.

Halfcan · 03-02-2007, 08:20 AM

Elgay was always so overrated-pretty much like Pampered Peeton today.

Now that the NFL has handed him the SB and SB MVP on a silver platter-maybe they will start calling a hold on his line once in awhile and quit letting his receivers push off down field.

Eleazar · 03-02-2007, 08:21 AM

To me this question is, if you had to pick one of these guys to draft as a rookie as your franchise QB, who would you choose.

I think I would pick Manning. He'll own all the passing records by the time he retires. You can't pin the "can't win a big game" on him anymore. He's only missed one snap in his career. I think the extent to which he calls plays and directs the offense gives him the field general title. You never hear of teammates who dislike him or getting in trouble off the field.

Other guys have more rings, and no disrespect to Montana, he's #2 on my list, but no QB ever played with more talent around him than he did. When the Colts' defense finally sacked up this year, Manning got his ring.

I think I would choose him, because he merges pure ability at the position with longevity, durability, and his ability to act as a sort of coach/offensive coordinator while under center.

Crush · 03-02-2007, 09:09 AM

Montana

pikesome · 03-02-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

To me this question is, if you had to pick one of these guys to draft as a rookie as your franchise QB, who would you choose.

I think I would pick Manning. He'll own all the passing records by the time he retires. You can't pin the "can't win a big game" on him anymore. He's only missed one snap in his career. I think the extent to which he calls plays and directs the offense gives him the field general title. You never hear of teammates who dislike him or getting in trouble off the field.

Other guys have more rings, and no disrespect to Montana, he's #2 on my list, but no QB ever played with more talent around him than he did. When the Colts' defense finally sacked up this year, Manning got his ring.

I think I would choose him, because he merges pure ability at the position with longevity, durability, and his ability to act as a sort of coach/offensive coordinator while under center.

But you could easily attack Manning's accomplishments by pointing out the way the PI rules have changed, the way his gyrations don't seem to get called, the way QB pressure rules have changed, as well as his receivers aren't chopped liver by any mesure. Manning is real, real good, no doubt about that but I'd still rather have Montana.

sedated · 03-02-2007, 10:24 AM

If people look at rings as the measuring stick, why don't more people mention Bradshaw?

despite being a total dumbfuck, he won as many rings, and had similar hall-o-fame talent around as Montana

chagrin · 03-02-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Other guys have more rings, and no disrespect to Montana, he's #2 on my list, but no QB ever played with more talent around him than he did.

My only argument is that Terry Bradshaw played with more talent around him, IMO. I doubt we will ever see as many Hall of Fame Players from those 49er teams than we do with the Steelers. Actually I should ask the questions since several folks believe this:

Tell me the players on the 49ers that were so speacial other Jerry and Joe: Dwight had a very mediocre career, Roger Craig wasn't hot, and maybe they had 1 CB, plus Ronnie Lott of course, and he wasn't there for the whole ride. Joe won his first Super Bowl with nobody on his team, they fought very hard to win that thing. In the Dallas Championship game, they basically lost, except for "the catch" Dwight made.

Anyway, I just a few reasons I wanted to point out.

You have a good point about Peyton, but his offensive talent also exceeds what Joe had for the first part of his great career, as well.

pikesome · 03-02-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

If people look at rings as the measuring stick, why don't more people mention Bradshaw?

despite being a total dumbfuck, he won as many rings, and had similar hall-o-fame talent around as Montana

Bradshaw seems to be such a jerk-off I'm not sure I could put up with him on my team no matter how good he was. And I still like Montana over him.

Brock · 03-02-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

Tell me the players on the 49ers that were so speacial other Jerry and Joe: Dwight had a very mediocre career, Roger Craig wasn't hot, and maybe they had 1 CB, plus Ronnie Lott of course, and he wasn't there for the whole ride. Joe won his first Super Bowl with nobody on his team, they fought very hard to win that thing. In the Dallas Championship game, they basically lost, except for "the catch" Dwight made.

Joe had a badass defense, plus maybe the best and dirtiest offensive line in football. Which shouldn't diminish his accomplishments...

Molitoth · 03-02-2007, 12:25 PM

Steve Young holds the title when it comes to stats I think.

DomCasual · 03-02-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

I agree-you forgot to add all the passes Elgay got away with throwing well beyond the line of scrimmage, the Cheatin Donks cheatin the cap during the SB years, and his Oline being greased up on game day.

You guys should stop with the cheating thing. It makes you look stupid.

DomCasual · 03-02-2007, 12:35 PM

Oh, and the greatest is Elway. Second place is about a mile lower, if you'll forgive the pun. Anyone who can't see this is stupid.

That's unbiased, folks. I would never, ever let homerism influence such an important argument.

pikesome · 03-02-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DomCasual

Oh, and the greatest is Elway. Second place is about a mile lower, if you'll forgive the pun. Anyone who can't see this is stupid.

That's unbiased, folks. I would never, ever let homerism influence such an important argument.

Mile High Mania · 03-02-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Elgay was always so overrated-pretty....

That's too funny.

Mile High Mania · 03-02-2007, 01:00 PM

There's great debate for about 5 QBs over the history of the NFL to be tagged as the best ever. But, the bottom line is that I feel it's really tough to compare QBs that span 20 years... much harder to compare QBs from the 40's to the 90s.

The nut of it is, take the consensus best 5 ever and there are always 2 names at the top... Elway & Montana, either order.

It's fun bar talk though.

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	To me this question is, if you had to pick one of these guys to draft as a rookie as your franchise QB, who would you choose. I think I would pick Manning. He'll own all the passing records by the time he retires. You can't pin the "can't win a big game" on him anymore. He's only missed one snap in his career. I think the extent to which he calls plays and directs the offense gives him the field general title. You never hear of teammates who dislike him or getting in trouble off the field. Other guys have more rings, and no disrespect to Montana, he's #2 on my list, but no QB ever played with more talent around him than he did. When the Colts' defense finally sacked up this year, Manning got his ring. I think I would choose him, because he merges pure ability at the position with longevity, durability, and his ability to act as a sort of coach/offensive coordinator while under center.
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DomCasual Shameless Homer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dove Valley Casino cash: $7965673	Oh, and the greatest is Elway. Second place is about a mile lower, if you'll forgive the pun. Anyone who can't see this is stupid. That's unbiased, folks. I would never, ever let homerism influence such an important argument. __________________ www.orangehuddle.com - Even Chiefs fans are welcome!
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3277229	There's great debate for about 5 QBs over the history of the NFL to be tagged as the best ever. But, the bottom line is that I feel it's really tough to compare QBs that span 20 years... much harder to compare QBs from the 40's to the 90s. The nut of it is, take the consensus best 5 ever and there are always 2 names at the top... Elway & Montana, either order. It's fun bar talk though. __________________
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