Croyle deserves the Roethlisberger treatment - Page 3

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2007, 10:09 PM

And no, I don't mean breaking his face on someone's bumper.

I still think that this team will do more to help itself in the long run if Brodie is our starter.

I think that most of us are willing to admit that our two weak links on offense today were Kyle Turley and Huard. Huard made ok decisions for the most part, but he still checked down too much, IMO, and he made some really poor throws. Turley got his bitch ass yanked, and for the future of the franchise, hopefully Huard's time is soon.

Croyle will make mistakes, but Huard isn't exactly giving us Montana-like precision either. We have two options in the passing game, which is perfect for a young QB. If he can't find D-Bowe or Tony, he can check down, and his arm and legs allow us to do things we can't with Huard.

If we can let Brodie be a game-managing QB this year (which is essentially what Huard is), then we might be able to be competitive for several years.

ChiefsCountry · 10-01-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Yeah, that was before Croyle shat all over my hope.

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/672724.html

This was after the Saints game.

Hammock Parties · 10-01-2007, 12:57 AM

Yep. And I stand by that.

ChiefsCountry · 10-01-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Yep. And I stand by that.

Basically you said its alright for Huard to be the starter so Brodie doesnt get hurt. You said nothing about Croyle's play in it.

Hammock Parties · 10-01-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Basically you said its alright for Huard to be the starter so Brodie doesnt get hurt. You said nothing about Croyle's play in it.

This is true. But I've voiced my opinion on that on this forum.

I don't believe we'd be 2-2 with Brodie.

GarySpFc · 10-01-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know. And neither do you.

Croyle couldn't beat out Huard in mini-camp, OTA's and training camp. He's obviously not ready to lead the Chiefs.

No amount of bitching will get him on the field. Huard will either have to perform poorly or be injured. Rooting for either is very unsportsman-like and very uncool.

Croyle will be the starting QB in 2008. That much is certain. In the meantime, how about enjoying a few Chiefs victories?

Go back and read the training camp reports. Croyle beat Huard out hands down in training camp. It was during the preseason games that Croyle lost the starting position.

pikesome · 10-01-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GarySpFc

Go back and read the training camp reports. Croyle beat Huard out hands down in training camp. It was during the preseason games that Croyle lost the starting position.

And, if you ask me, he shouldn't have lost it with his pre-season play either. Huard wasn't any better. I still would rather have Croyle in there than Huard but this win does make me feel better about Huard starting. Hopefully I'll be eating crow in December. I won't mind too much.

Simplex3 · 10-01-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

I don't care if receivers get hit. This is the NFL. It happens.

Let's all bookmark this one and see how he feels when Bowe is sidelined with broken ribs after stretching out over the middle for one of Hutard's floaters.

Hammock Parties · 10-01-2007, 07:56 AM

It might interest you to know Huard was also smacked on the play where Bowe got smacked.

This is the NFL.

But go ahead and give all of the credit to the receivers and none to Huard. It's been the company line around here since Huard started having any sort of success. It's never Damon. It's always someone else.

jidar · 10-01-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Huard throws well in the 15-20 yard range.

I just don't agree. The passes are weak and in most cases off target. D Bowe and Tony are still making plays, but it's in spite of Huard imo.

The one good thing I can say about Huard is he didn't give up a ton of Ints, and the ones he did weren't in the red zone. I suppose that's why we have him in the game. Had we had Croyle in there, he might have thrown it away one or two more times.

donkhater · 10-01-2007, 08:16 AM

The book on Huard is that he is an average NFL talent with some smarts and a willingness to stand in the pocket (basically bacause he can't do anything else)

When a smart average NFL QB gets time to pass (like he did yesterday) he'll make throws.

Huard playing doesn't sit well with me for these reasons:

1. He didn't 'beat' Croyle in the preseason. He was every bit as bad as Croyle in the games he played, maybe worse. His starting the season was more a comfort for Peterson than the fact that Huard won the job.

2. He is playing scared. No, not because his O-line is mediocre, but becuase he's afraid he's going to get yanked. Herm has force fed his QB's into submission about not making mistakes that they're scared to lose and afraid to win. Granted, Brodie takes chance that he maybe shouldn't, but He's going to throw the pass that he needs to.

3. He's not even that good at checking down his passes. Seriously. Has he completed a swing pass or screen pass this year? The one in Houston that Wilson was pummled on iced the game for them. you can see LJ is just flabbergasted by what is coming his way.

But the biggest is:

4. So what if Huard plays OK, it gets this team NOWHERE!!!!!!!! This team at its peak potential still doesn't have the talent to compete with the NE and IND of the league. Maybe by the time they do, it would be nice if your QB was a 2nd or 3rd year QB entering into his prime instead of a washed up 37-year old.

Sure, it's great KC won and I was excited as hell, but as much as I would like to see KC win this year, my head tells me it'll just end in dissappointment.

HypnotizedMonkey · 10-01-2007, 08:35 AM

Huard is doing fine IMO. Putting Croyle in would be a step backwards now that the season has new life.

donkhater · 10-01-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HypnotizedMonkey

Huard is doing fine IMO. Putting Croyle in would be a step backwards now that the season has new life.

New life as in how? A 10-6 team that gets bounced in the first round again instead of a 6-10 or 7-9 team that has information in which to build the team?

Insert veteran free agents (especially at QB), scrape through the season, win most of your home games, barely make or miss the playoffs, get embarrassed in the playoffs, rinse, repeat.

Ahh, the life of a Chiefs fan.

HypnotizedMonkey · 10-01-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by donkhater

New life as in how? A 10-6 team that gets bounced in the first round again instead of a 6-10 or 7-9 team that has information in which to build the team?

Insert veteran free agents (especially at QB), scrape through the season, win most of your home games, barely make or miss the playoffs, get embarrassed in the playoffs, rinse, repeat.

Ahh, the life of a Chiefs fan.

A new life in that the division is unstable and instead of last place we're tied for first. There's still a lot of football to play but a team can rally around this kind of win. I'm far from saying this team is perfect, but Defense wins championships, and we've got 3 great weapons on offense in LJ, TG, and Bowe.
Sorry for being so excited, my lobotomy is scheduled for Friday.

Sully · 10-01-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I"m sorry, the only thing I saw on that page was a video of Hayden Panettiere with jiz on her face

Finally found the incentive to click on a "scout" link.

Frankie · 10-01-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by donkhater

New life as in how? A 10-6 team that gets bounced in the first round again instead of a 6-10 or 7-9 team that has information in which to build the team?

Insert veteran free agents (especially at QB), scrape through the season, win most of your home games, barely make or miss the playoffs, get embarrassed in the playoffs, rinse, repeat.

Ahh, the life of a Chiefs fan.

Rep.

09-30-2007, 10:09 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7279572	Croyle deserves the Roethlisberger treatment And no, I don't mean breaking his face on someone's bumper. I still think that this team will do more to help itself in the long run if Brodie is our starter. I think that most of us are willing to admit that our two weak links on offense today were Kyle Turley and Huard. Huard made ok decisions for the most part, but he still checked down too much, IMO, and he made some really poor throws. Turley got his bitch ass yanked, and for the future of the franchise, hopefully Huard's time is soon. Croyle will make mistakes, but Huard isn't exactly giving us Montana-like precision either. We have two options in the passing game, which is perfect for a young QB. If he can't find D-Bowe or Tony, he can check down, and his arm and legs allow us to do things we can't with Huard. If we can let Brodie be a game-managing QB this year (which is essentially what Huard is), then we might be able to be competitive for several years.
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10-01-2007, 12:57 AM	#32
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10-01-2007, 07:56 AM	#38
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1030478	It might interest you to know Huard was also smacked on the play where Bowe got smacked. This is the NFL. But go ahead and give all of the credit to the receivers and none to Huard. It's been the company line around here since Huard started having any sort of success. It's never Damon. It's always someone else. __________________ Chiefs game films
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10-01-2007, 08:16 AM	#40
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	The book on Huard is that he is an average NFL talent with some smarts and a willingness to stand in the pocket (basically bacause he can't do anything else) When a smart average NFL QB gets time to pass (like he did yesterday) he'll make throws. Huard playing doesn't sit well with me for these reasons: 1. He didn't 'beat' Croyle in the preseason. He was every bit as bad as Croyle in the games he played, maybe worse. His starting the season was more a comfort for Peterson than the fact that Huard won the job. 2. He is playing scared. No, not because his O-line is mediocre, but becuase he's afraid he's going to get yanked. Herm has force fed his QB's into submission about not making mistakes that they're scared to lose and afraid to win. Granted, Brodie takes chance that he maybe shouldn't, but He's going to throw the pass that he needs to. 3. He's not even that good at checking down his passes. Seriously. Has he completed a swing pass or screen pass this year? The one in Houston that Wilson was pummled on iced the game for them. you can see LJ is just flabbergasted by what is coming his way. But the biggest is: 4. So what if Huard plays OK, it gets this team NOWHERE!!!!!!!! This team at its peak potential still doesn't have the talent to compete with the NE and IND of the league. Maybe by the time they do, it would be nice if your QB was a 2nd or 3rd year QB entering into his prime instead of a washed up 37-year old. Sure, it's great KC won and I was excited as hell, but as much as I would like to see KC win this year, my head tells me it'll just end in dissappointment. __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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10-01-2007, 08:35 AM	#41
HypnotizedMonkey usually hooplah is involved Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Casino cash: $10004925	Huard is doing fine IMO. Putting Croyle in would be a step backwards now that the season has new life.
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