Wow. Was he in the wrong? - Page 2

MIAdragon · 11-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Not sure if this is a re-post or not.

Widow of suspected burglar speaks about her husband's death.

Listen to the 911 audio tape.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5766455

**Saulbadguy** · 11-21-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

He waited in his house for the cops to show for more than five minutes. The thieves were leaving that house and going God only knows where to do who knows what.

Rob the next house, probably.

**pr_capone** · 11-21-2007, 10:36 AM

ZERO sympathy for the guy who died... plenty though, for the kids he left behind. Can you imagine growing up with the knowledge that your dad died during a home invasion?

As for Mr. Horn.... good on him for having the stones to go out and confront the theives. Property may not be worth taking someones life over but I don't believe it was his intention go go out the door shooting.

You can hear him telling them something to the effect of "Take another step and its your life". The fact that they wound up 15 feet from his front door suggests, though without pics one can not be sure, that they were coming towards him. Not really the smartest thing to do when you have the barrel of a shotty pointed at you.

|Zach| · 11-21-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

but I don't believe it was his intention go go out the door shooting.

C'mon now...

Eleazar · 11-21-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

C'mon now...

He called the cops, they could have arrived any moment. I think, he was probably going to leave it alone and let the cops catch them in the act, but when they were leaving, he tried to hold them there until the cops showed up.

That makes a lot more sense than "I'ma gon' kill me some burglars"

Simplex3 · 11-21-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

C'mon now...

Assuming he did, who gives a crap? These were two guys out taking from others. Then someone took from them and now everyone wants to cry about it.

"It" is horrible for the kids and family. What everyone needs to be clear about is what "it" is. "It" is that those two lowlifes were making a living burglarizing people.

**pr_capone** · 11-21-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

He called the cops, they could have arrived any moment. I think, he was probably going to leave it alone and let the cops catch them in the act, but when they were leaving, he tried to hold them there until the cops showed up.

That makes a lot more sense than "I'ma gon' kill me some burglars"

Agreed

Eleazar · 11-21-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

Assuming he did, who gives a crap? These were two guys out taking from others. Then someone took from them and now everyone wants to cry about it.

"It" is horrible for the kids and family. What everyone needs to be clear about is what "it" is. "It" is that those two lowlifes were making a living burglarizing people.

I don't feel sorry for them because they put themselves in a position for this to happen. And I don't fault the guy for doing it. They created the situation, and they escalated it even when it was apparent they were caught, leading to death.

But still, we can't really act like being shot to death is punishment befitting the crime for burglars or other common thieves. How about just cutting off their hands instead...?

|Zach| · 11-21-2007, 10:47 AM

Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread.

Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do."

I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.

Simplex3 · 11-21-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

But still, we can't really act like being shot to death is punishment befitting the crime for burglars or other common thieves. How about just cutting off their hands instead...?

Why not? Might deter some people.

I'd prefer longer prison terms in prisons that suck to be in, but hey, you do what works.

Simplex3 · 11-21-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread.

Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do."

I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.

I don't think this has anything to do with what was or wasn't in that bag.

I think this is a case of "why the hell did it take the cops 5+ minutes to respond to a crime in progress"?

**Rain Man** · 11-21-2007, 10:52 AM

I can't get the audio link, but what's the problem? It looks to me like a couple of criminals got killed in the act of committing a crime. In this case, everybody's a winner:

- Society has two less criminals
- Hopefully the shooter gets a nice reward from the city
- The kids of the criminals will grow up better because their role models won't be criminals
- The criminals themselves are dead, but were pretty much worthless anyway, so their opinion doesn't matter
- The widow of the criminals probably will be able to hook up with another criminal if she wants and have more kids and more government cheese, since that's probably what she wants anyway

**Rain Man** · 11-21-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I don't feel sorry for them because they put themselves in a position for this to happen. And I don't fault the guy for doing it. They created the situation, and they escalated it even when it was apparent they were caught, leading to death.

But still, we can't really act like being shot to death is punishment befitting the crime for burglars or other common thieves. How about just cutting off their hands instead...?

I view it as an inherent risk of one's chosen occupation.

If you're a steeplejack, you can fall.
If you're a miner, you can get crushed in a cave-in.
If you're a criminal, you can get killed by one of the good guys.

I see no foul. Keep playing, everyone.

**pr_capone** · 11-21-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread.

Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do."

I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.

Yeah... because we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did not take things that were essential to the home owners such as meds or cash. Try getting a refill on meds with no insurance or money and se how far that gets you.

Again... we dont know. It could have been an xbox, it could have been food.... does not matter.

Play this scenario in your head. An old man trying to do what he feels is right goes out with his shotty to stop a robbery. He takes the shotty with him because he is an old man and is no match physically to these 2 men.

He warns them to stay put (which he did), they come towards him (which they did I am assuming based on being 15 feet from his door), so he pulls the trigger in self defense.

If he had not warned them to stay put before firing, then I would agree with you.

Inspector · 11-21-2007, 11:10 AM

Thanks Mr. Horn. As far as I'm concerned you just saved my house from being robbed and / or one of my kids or grandkids for being killed.

He should have all property taxes eliminated for at least a year. He saved the tax payers the expense of a trail too. Good job!

jettio · 11-21-2007, 11:13 AM

This kind of stuff was bound to happen once state legislators decided to get stupid and pass unnecessary laws leading the stupid to believe that they could kill people over property.

According to the 9-1-1 call, the dumb*ss cited a change in the law as a reason for him to kill the burglars.

Now according to the news story, Mr. Horn is crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office, because he committed premeditated murder and ignored the directions from the 9-1-1 operator to not go outside.

That is premeditated murder, he should be prosecuted and the moron legislators that pandered to the stupid bear some of the culpability.

11-21-2007, 10:02 AM
MIAdragon Someone pass the antifreeze Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami (North Cuba) Casino cash: $1277819	Wow. Was he in the wrong? Not sure if this is a re-post or not. Widow of suspected burglar speaks about her husband's death. Listen to the 911 audio tape. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5766455
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11-21-2007, 10:36 AM	#17
pr_capone ** SOC & ** YOU Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chiefs Hell Casino cash: $10018214	ZERO sympathy for the guy who died... plenty though, for the kids he left behind. Can you imagine growing up with the knowledge that your dad died during a home invasion? As for Mr. Horn.... good on him for having the stones to go out and confront the theives. Property may not be worth taking someones life over but I don't believe it was his intention go go out the door shooting. You can hear him telling them something to the effect of "Take another step and its your life". The fact that they wound up 15 feet from his front door suggests, though without pics one can not be sure, that they were coming towards him. Not really the smartest thing to do when you have the barrel of a shotty pointed at you.
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11-21-2007, 10:47 AM	#23
\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $5196768	Like I said. I don't have a problem with this. I also don't think everyone wants to cry about it. Just read this thread. Having said that...when he set out it seemed obvious what was going to go down. He goes out with a gun...and then he comes back "fearing for his life not knowing what they were going to do." I hope the family next door enjoys their XBOX 360.
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11-21-2007, 10:52 AM	#26
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2998491 VARSITY	I can't get the audio link, but what's the problem? It looks to me like a couple of criminals got killed in the act of committing a crime. In this case, everybody's a winner: - Society has two less criminals - Hopefully the shooter gets a nice reward from the city - The kids of the criminals will grow up better because their role models won't be criminals - The criminals themselves are dead, but were pretty much worthless anyway, so their opinion doesn't matter - The widow of the criminals probably will be able to hook up with another criminal if she wants and have more kids and more government cheese, since that's probably what she wants anyway __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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11-21-2007, 11:10 AM	#29
Inspector MVP Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: K.C. Casino cash: $9924975	Thanks Mr. Horn. As far as I'm concerned you just saved my house from being robbed and / or one of my kids or grandkids for being killed. He should have all property taxes eliminated for at least a year. He saved the tax payers the expense of a trail too. Good job!
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11-21-2007, 11:13 AM	#30
jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4924930	This kind of stuff was bound to happen once state legislators decided to get stupid and pass unnecessary laws leading the stupid to believe that they could kill people over property. According to the 9-1-1 call, the dumbss cited a change in the law as a reason for him to kill the burglars. Now according to the news story, Mr. Horn is crying like a btch at his lawyer's office, because he committed premeditated murder and ignored the directions from the 9-1-1 operator to not go outside. That is premeditated murder, he should be prosecuted and the moron legislators that pandered to the stupid bear some of the culpability. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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