***** Official KU vs Davidson NCAA Tourney Game Thread .*****

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If Kansas wins, I can't really remember an easier road to the final four for a team in quite some time.

When the brackets came out I thought KU had the easiest road to the Final 4, but I don't think anyone could have predicted the upsets that have occurred.

I just hope KU is ready to play. This is the last shot for them for a while I think. I know they need to first worry about DAV, but I will say this about Self if they advance. He has this and one and only chance to break away out from Roy Williams shadow at Kansas (if UNC makes it to the Final4). If he loses to Roy, I don't think he will ever break out of that shadow unless he wins a national title. I honestly think Self will have elephant tons of pressure on him to the point I bet he doesn't sleep at all this next week if it all plays out like I think it should. Roy has everything to gain and Self has everything to lose.

There's a post somewhere around here, and to my surprise, there's actually been a few other teams with just as easy or easier roads to the Final Four.

I had USC playing Kansas, with Georgetown losing to Davidson and Wisconsin losing to USC, but I didn't do my research and didn't know they are a team of all Freshmen and Sophomores. Once KSU won, I thought they had a good chance of making it to the EE. Big 10 and Big East will generally keep both teams in the game.. some call the Big East deep, I call it mediocre.

I've never really thought about Self being in Roy's shadow, and I'm not sure Self cares either. He'll be under a lot of pressure because it would be his first Final Four and it will be the last chance for at least a few years. It's not he took over for a Roy Williams that won 3 titles at Kansas or lost a bunch of times to Roy, or even has any of Roy's players.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

There's a post somewhere around here, and to my surprise, there's actually been a few other teams with just as easy or easier roads to the Final Four.

I had USC playing Kansas, with Georgetown losing to Davidson and Wisconsin losing to USC, but I didn't do my research and didn't know they are a team of all Freshmen and Sophomores. Once KSU won, I thought they had a good chance of making it to the EE. Big 10 and Big East will generally keep both teams in the game.. some call the Big East deep, I call it mediocre.

I've never really thought about Self being in Roy's shadow, and I'm not sure Self cares either. He'll be under a lot of pressure because it would be his first Final Four and it will be the last chance for at least a few years. It's not he took over for a Roy Williams that won 3 titles at Kansas or lost a bunch of times to Roy, or even has any of Roy's players.

My point on Roy/Self was that most of Jayhawk fans would probably have Roy as a coach (myself included) than Self, and it would really help on Selfs part to put some sort of a big **** you to all those fans by winning that game.

Hey to be honest I think Roy will always be a better coach regardless of what happens, but it would really be nice to take it to UNC. At least it would feel good.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

My point on Roy/Self was that most of Jayhawk fans would probably have Roy as a coach (myself included) than Self, and it would really help on Selfs part to put some sort of a big **** you to all those fans by winning that game.

Hey to be honest I think Roy will always be a better coach regardless of what happens, but it would really be nice to take it to UNC. At least it would feel good.

I like Self more that Roy... Roys teams always seems to have a touch of vagianist at time... Selfs teams seem to be alot tougher...

I think we match up well with UNC and will slow the game down to force them to play Selfs ball... Like the ass whippings he gave us at UI in the tourney.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I like Self more that Roy... Roys teams always seems to have a touch of vagianist at time... Selfs teams seem to be alot tougher...

I think we match up well with UNC and will slow the game down to force them to play Selfs ball... Like the ass whippings he gave us at UI in the tourney.

It's hard to describe, but there were times when Roy was here that I thought "we're going to lose" within the first few minutes of a game, and I was usually right. Great teams with great players, but if they had an off night, they were f***ed.

I agree, Self's teams seem to be tougher... they win games when they don't play well. They'll regroup at halftime and go on a run after struggling for 20 minutes. It's a nice balance between Roy's "we can blow anyone out, but we have a tendency to lose to sub-par teams when we aren't running at our best" and the Big 10/Big East's "we're in every game, but so is our opponent".

[Skip Towne]

Self has a better W/L %age at KU than Roy.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Self has a better W/L %age at KU than Roy.

There's really no way in determining that. Self has coached in a far less amt of games. I don't think it's fair to compare 15 years to 5 years.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

There's really no way in determining that. Self has coached in a far less amt of games. I don't think it's fair to compare 15 years to 5 years.

The gap will only widen. Self won 33 games last year and already has 34 this year. Or compare Selfs first 5 vs. Roy's first 5. Self wins.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

The gap will only widen. Self won 33 games last year and already has 34 this year. Or compare Selfs first 5 vs. Roy's first 5. Self wins.

I don't see how you can still make that comparison. Didn't Roy face NCAA violations when he first arrived?

Self pretty much inherited a bunch of All American/ All Conf. players that had tons of tourney exp. I don't think comparing eachothers first 5 seasons can tell you much.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I don't see how you can still make that comparison. Didn't Roy face NCAA violations when he first arrived?

Self pretty much inherited a bunch of All American/ All Conf. players that had tons of tourney exp. I don't think comparing eachothers first 5 seasons can tell you much.

Self wins every comparison I can think of. I can't come up with any that favors Roy. Self beat Roy by 16 in the Dance in 2001. Self also beat Roy by 14 in 2000.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

There's really no way in determining that. Self has coached in a far less amt of games. I don't think it's fair to compare 15 years to 5 years.

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

The gap will only widen. Self won 33 games last year and already has 34 this year. Or compare Selfs first 5 vs. Roy's first 5. Self wins.

Roy had 2 Final Fours in his first 5 years. There is no comparison.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Roy had 2 Final Fours in his first 5 years. There is no comparison.

Roy went 132-37 his first 5 years. Self is 139-32 so far with games left. That's 81% to 78% advantage Self.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Roy went 132-37 his first 5 years. Self is 139-32 so far with games left. That's 81% to 78% advantage Self.

And you would trade those 7 more wins, and 5 less losses for the two Final Fours Roy went to? I don't think so.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

My point on Roy/Self was that most of Jayhawk fans would probably have Roy as a coach (myself included) than Self, and it would really help on Selfs part to put some sort of a big **** you to all those fans by winning that game.

Hey to be honest I think Roy will always be a better coach regardless of what happens, but it would really be nice to take it to UNC. At least it would feel good.

I was much more upset about the hiring of Self than I was with Roy leaving. At his press conference, Self responded to questions regarding the Big-10 style by saying "we're going to run because that's what you do in the Big 12", and then spent a couple of years trying to shove the high-low down players' throats. Since then though, I've really respected what he's done, and I while I still enjoy watching Roy's style, I like watching Self's Jayhawks even more, because they can get after it on both sides of the ball.

I completely agree that it would make for a great, almost circle-of-life moment if Kansas and UNC met and Kansas won. Roy's last moment as a Jayhawk will always go down as "I don't give a sh*t about North Carolina" after the NC game, and several years later it could be "I don't give a sh*t about Kansas" in the Final Four. But, my point is that I don't think Bill Self cares about all of that stuff, and I don't think that's why he'll lose sleep if they beat Davidson and meet UNC.