Chiefs Draft Reality Check - Page 5

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 12:42 PM

I'm thrilled with this year's draft as many of you are. However...

Reality check:

KC allowed 55 sacks last year (T-last)
KC rushed for 78 YPG last year (last).

I'm all excited about the DT, CBs, WR, RB, etc... but this was supposed to be the draft that addressed the OL.

Right now we are looking at just 4 starters: Albert, Waters, MacIntosh and Niswanger. No telling who will play what and there ain't crap there for depth.

Remember, Gailey will run a lot of 2-TE sets with downhill rushing plays. I'm not seeing the kind of top tier OL that can get that done here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Michael Allen, JP Foschi, and Joe Lobdell were already on the roster, and just as big, and have the same M.O. as Brad Cottam. Not much of a passing threat, but a big blocker.

Harris was on the field last season, and I don't mind the Jamaal Charles pick...However, I don't think you draft a 3rd RB in the 3rd round. That being said, I do think he will end up being a good situational RB.

DaJuan Morgan was a head scratcher because it looks like KC is still going to keep both Greg Wesley and Jon McGraw on the roster. I like the pick, I just believe that you could have gotten a starter here on the O Line, instead of a 4th or 5th Safety.

Michael Allan was a D-III player who needed to put on a massive amount of muscle.

Cottam is 6'8 and rated by many as the most physically gifted, natural TE in the draft. If he can pick up where Jason Dunn left off (who was a MAJOR part of the offensive production from 2001-2005), the Chiefs will have a steal.

Wesley could very well be gone before the end of training camp, via trade or outright release. Jon McGraw is probably best suited as a special team tackler, not a true safety.

The Chiefs need help at EVERY position. Reaching for a tackle wouldn't have been wise, especially if there's an injury to LJ or either of the starting safeties.

FWIW, I view Charles as a poor-man's Tiki Barber. Barber was "just" a third down back when drafted by NYG and had fumbling problems. A few years later, the guy is one of the very best backs in the league.

TRR · 04-27-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Brad Cottam is way more talented than you are giving him creidt for...

And I'm sorry Wesley will probably get cut and Morgan will start for this team, he is light years better than our safeties.

You may be right, but Cottam has nothing to back that statement up. At least Michael Allen dominated the league he played in, and is close to the same size.

Like you, I like the Morgan pick, but the kid has never started a full season in his Collegiate career. He started one game his Junior season, and 10 out of 12 games his Senior season. I like the pick, but thought that KC could have gotten better value.

I could be wrong.

Mecca · 04-27-2008, 05:44 PM

The other overlooked thing, DaJuan Morgan is a great special teams player...he could be the Chiefs special teams captain right now.

TRR · 04-27-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Michael Allan was a D-III player who needed to put on a massive amount of muscle.

Cottam is 6'8 and rated by many as the most physically gifted, natural TE in the draft. If he can pick up where Jason Dunn left off (who was a MAJOR part of the offensive production from 2001-2005), the Chiefs will have a steal.

Wesley could very well be gone before the end of training camp, via trade or outright release. Jon McGraw is probably best suited as a special team tackler, not a true safety.

The Chiefs need help at EVERY position. Reaching for a tackle wouldn't have been wise, especially if there's an injury to LJ or either of the starting safeties.

FWIW, I view Charles as a poor-man's Tiki Barber. Barber was "just" a third down back when drafted by NYG and had fumbling problems. A few years later, the guy is one of the very best backs in the league.

Allen is 6'6, 260 pounds. Cottom is 6'7, 270 pounds. Not much of a difference. I just don't see it.

You may be right about the safety pick as long as Wesley is traded/released.

I do like the Charles pick...I just don't know when, if ever, he will crack the starting lineup.

Mecca · 04-27-2008, 05:46 PM

Charles doesn't have to be a "starter" his role should and will likely always be what Dallas picked Felix Jones to do.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Allen is 6'6, 260 pounds. Cottom is 6'7, 270 pounds. Not much of a difference. I just don't see it.

You may be right about the safety pick as long as Wesley is traded/released.

I do like the Charles pick...I just don't know when, if ever, he will crack the starting lineup.

Cottom's 6'8 and played at Tennessee, in the SEC. Allen played at Whitmore College, DIII in Washington. While Allan *may* become a decent player, he's got a long, long, long way to go.

Charles is two injuries away from being the starer. Considering last year (and years past with Priest Holmes), Charles may be starting much sooner than you can imagine.

keg in kc · 04-27-2008, 05:50 PM

Allen also went about 4.7 in his 40 last year IIRC, so they're similar in speed. But they're different in that Cottom can apparently block as well as catch passes, whereas Allen was seen almost exclusively as a receiving TE.

Either way, Cottom's apparently seen as a physical specimen with huge upside, but he has to kill the injury bug.

The last pick is the one I didn't get, unless the plans are to convert him to a lineman. Yes, I know the Dunn comparison, but Dunn was actually a good all -around TE before his knees went bad. But, hell, it's a 7th rounder, so it doesn't really matter.

eazyb81 · 04-27-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Allen is 6'6, 260 pounds. Cottom is 6'7, 270 pounds. Not much of a difference. I just don't see it.

You do understand that the value of players isn't solely based on height and weight, right?

You also realize that Cottam was arguably the most physically gifted TE in the draft and was a top 3 TE overall, while Allen was a late round nobody for a reason?

keg in kc · 04-27-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Charles is two injuries away from being the starer. Considering last year (and years past with Priest Holmes), Charles may be starting much sooner than you can imagine.

Particularly if we run the ball 550 times.

Don417 · 04-27-2008, 05:52 PM

One of the deepest drafts in years for OLineman and the chiefs take exactly one in the first five rounds. And you people think it's all gravy. Did you forget already how awful the OLine is?

TRR · 04-27-2008, 05:52 PM

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. If we could have kept Jamaal Charles, drafted Early Doucet instead of Brad Cottam, and Jeremy Zuttah instead of DaJuan Morgan, I would be extremely happy. I believe both Zuttah (especially) and Doucet would have made an immediate impact. I don't see Cottam or Morgan doing that...

We also added another blocking TE in the 7th round. How many do we need??

Either way, only time will tell. Zuttah and Doucet could be busts...

keg in kc · 04-27-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Don417

One of the deepest drafts in years for OLineman and the chiefs take exactly one in the first five rounds. And you people think it's all gravy. Did you forget already how awful the OLine is?

Odds are they took exactly one in the first five rounds because it was one of the deepest drafts in years for o-line. They got great value in the sixth and there's a lot of undrafted talent.

Mecca · 04-27-2008, 05:55 PM

Doucet is small and slow and profiles to the slot....and not as a big play slot guy either..Zuttah I also like but not more than DaJuan Morgan..

Morgan to me was the 2nd best safety in this draft.

TRR · 04-27-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

You do understand that the value of players isn't solely based on height and weight, right?

You also realize that Cottam was arguably the most physically gifted TE in the draft and was a top 3 TE overall, while Allen was a late round nobody for a reason?

Cottam did have a good Senior Bowl. But your talking about a TE who comibined for 20 TOTAL CATCHES HIS ENTIRE COLLEGIATE CAREER. 20? Maybe he wasn't targeted in the offense, maybe he is a late bloomer? Only time will tell...But your talking about value, and a 20 catch TE his entire career just doesn't gleam VALUE in the 3rd round.

Mecca · 04-27-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Odds are they took exactly one in the first five rounds because it was one of the deepest drafts in years for o-line. They got great value in the sixth and there's a lot of undrafted talent.

Yea man we shoulda been like Houston and drafted a dude 3 rounds to high! Early in the draft there were some ridiculous OL reaches.

04-27-2008, 12:42 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Draft Reality Check I'm thrilled with this year's draft as many of you are. However... Reality check: KC allowed 55 sacks last year (T-last) KC rushed for 78 YPG last year (last). I'm all excited about the DT, CBs, WR, RB, etc... but this was supposed to be the draft that addressed the OL. Right now we are looking at just 4 starters: Albert, Waters, MacIntosh and Niswanger. No telling who will play what and there ain't crap there for *depth*. Remember, Gailey will run a lot of 2-TE sets with downhill rushing plays. I'm not seeing the kind of top tier OL that can get that done here.
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04-27-2008, 05:44 PM	#63
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2337050	The other overlooked thing, DaJuan Morgan is a great special teams player...he could be the Chiefs special teams captain right now.
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04-27-2008, 05:46 PM	#65
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2337050	Charles doesn't have to be a "starter" his role should and will likely always be what Dallas picked Felix Jones to do.
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04-27-2008, 05:50 PM	#67
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Allen also went about 4.7 in his 40 last year IIRC, so they're similar in speed. But they're different in that Cottom can apparently block as well as catch passes, whereas Allen was seen almost exclusively as a receiving TE. Either way, Cottom's apparently seen as a physical specimen with huge upside, but he has to kill the injury bug. The last pick is the one I didn't get, unless the plans are to convert him to a lineman. Yes, I know the Dunn comparison, but Dunn was actually a good all -around TE before his knees went bad. But, hell, it's a 7th rounder, so it doesn't really matter.
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04-27-2008, 05:52 PM	#70
Don417 Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $10004900	One of the deepest drafts in years for OLineman and the chiefs take exactly one in the first five rounds. And you people think it's all gravy. Did you forget already how awful the OLine is?
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04-27-2008, 05:52 PM	#71
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. If we could have kept Jamaal Charles, drafted Early Doucet instead of Brad Cottam, and Jeremy Zuttah instead of DaJuan Morgan, I would be extremely happy. I believe both Zuttah (especially) and Doucet would have made an immediate impact. I don't see Cottam or Morgan doing that... We also added another blocking TE in the 7th round. How many do we need?? Either way, only time will tell. Zuttah and Doucet could be busts...
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04-27-2008, 05:55 PM	#73
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2337050	Doucet is small and slow and profiles to the slot....and not as a big play slot guy either..Zuttah I also like but not more than DaJuan Morgan.. Morgan to me was the 2nd best safety in this draft.
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