Chiefs How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle?

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM

Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help...

BUT...

I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT".

My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season?

Thoughts...

**noa** · 07-22-2008, 02:20 PM

I would give him the entire season because we're not competing anyway. But if (read: when) he gets injured again, I think that should definitely factor into the analysis.
I can't say anything stat-wise because we really don't know what is fair to expect having not seen this OL in action. If it is as horrid as last year, I would cut him some slack, but if they give him time and he has a low completion pct and a bad td-to-int ratio, I'd say we should move on.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:20 PM

I'm not willing to be all that patient with Croyle.

People keep telling me I should be, but he's had time to have shown something. Honestly... I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-22-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.

Thats fair as long as the lineplay is better than last season.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Thats fair as long as the lineplay is better than last season.

Other successful QB's have had to endure poor offensive lineplay.
Croyle shouldn't be any different. Good QB's overcome adversity.

BigChiefFan · 07-22-2008, 02:25 PM

I think eight games will be enough time to see if he's improving. I'll give him the entire season for development, but after 8 games, if he looks like shit, he'll be deserved to be called out. He's a professional, enough of the pandering to a millionaire.

HolyHandgernade · 07-22-2008, 02:26 PM

Based on Peterson's tenure, I'd say he has a long rope.

Anyway, that's what I heard.

-HH

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I'm not willing to be all that patient with Croyle.

People keep telling me I should be, but he's had time to have shown something. Honestly... I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.

No disrespect, but I think that is a little ridiculous. And there is two reasons why...

(1) I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

(2) KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 02:28 PM

Hell, the fans threw him under the bus LAST year.

But, to answer your questions:

(1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season?

Another 24 starts, which means all of this year, and half of next.

I know, someone will make a smartass remark that it will take him 5 years to start 24 more games due to his injury history. Ha.

30 starts seems to be the benchmark that most franchises try to use when it comes to the QB position.

2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season?

Pretty much answered in #1 - nothing, IMO.

Give him his 30 starts, and go from there. His performance this year will have some say on if/when we draft a QB in 2009 or 2010. Even if he has an average, or even below average year in 2008, the Chiefs aren't going to start a rookie at the QB position in 2009. Croyle will get at least half of the year while the rook learns the playbook.

I'm not concerned with the win total, since there are another 21 guys that attribute to that as well. Had the defense held up their end of the bargain in a few games last year, he'd already have a couple of wins under his belt.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

No disrespect, but I think that is a little ridiculous. And there is two reasons why...

(1) I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

(2) KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

Mic lives in a world where getting raped in PreSeason games is the same as getting experience in a game that actually matters in Week 11.

For people to say that Croyle didn't show anything last year didn't watch the games...

BigChiefFan · 07-22-2008, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRR

No disrespect, but I think that is a little ridiculous. And there is two reasons why...

(1) I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

(2) KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

This will be his THIRD year, if he doesn't show signs of improvement eight games into, he's likely a bust.

blueballs · 07-22-2008, 02:33 PM

only the true fans will be in the seats
in such a lean year

eazyb81 · 07-22-2008, 02:34 PM

I'm willing to give him the entire season. We're not going to contend anyways, so why not let him prove himself one way or the other.

I'm much more interested to see how LJ looks, if Bowe can repeat last year's performance, what the Oline does, how the defense improves with Dorsey in the middle, etc.

**Bowser** · 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm already on the Tyler Thigpen bandwagon.

I don't know - I'll give the kid half a season to show something, but I won't "throw him under the bus" if he gets as good supporting help around him as he did last year. The line MUST play better, period, for him or anyone on offense to be improved.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

This will be his THIRD year, if he doesn't show signs of improvement eight games into, he's likely a bust.

He's started SIX games in the NFL. Less than half of a full season.

3 years doesn't mean much compared to the amount of time he's actually spent on the field, in games that count.

This will be Aaron Rodgers' FOURTH year, and by your standards, should be great his first year starting.

Odds are against him, and he has a great TEAM around him. Solid OL play, good WR corp, good coaching.

Croyle has none of that.

07-22-2008, 02:18 PM
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle? Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help... BUT... I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT". My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season? Thoughts...
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07-22-2008, 02:20 PM	#2
noa Band Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1335453	I would give him the entire season because we're not competing anyway. But if (read: when) he gets injured again, I think that should definitely factor into the analysis. I can't say anything stat-wise because we really don't know what is fair to expect having not seen this OL in action. If it is as horrid as last year, I would cut him some slack, but if they give him time and he has a low completion pct and a bad td-to-int ratio, I'd say we should move on. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes, well, he eats you.
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07-22-2008, 02:20 PM	#3
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I'm not willing to be all that patient with Croyle. People keep telling me I should be, but he's had time to have shown something. Honestly... I think I'm willing to be 8 games patient.
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07-22-2008, 02:25 PM	#6
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	I think eight games will be enough time to see if he's improving. I'll give him the entire season for development, but after 8 games, if he looks like shit, he'll be deserved to be called out. He's a professional, enough of the pandering to a millionaire. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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07-22-2008, 02:26 PM	#7
HolyHandgernade Integralist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Casino cash: $10006370	Based on Peterson's tenure, I'd say he has a long rope. Anyway, that's what I heard. -HH __________________ You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember, the last laugh is on you, and always look on the bright side of life!
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07-22-2008, 02:28 PM	#9
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4811115	Hell, the fans threw him under the bus LAST year. But, to answer your questions: (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? Another 24 starts, which means all of this year, and half of next. I know, someone will make a smartass remark that it will take him 5 years to start 24 more games due to his injury history. Ha. 30 starts seems to be the benchmark that most franchises try to use when it comes to the QB position. 2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season? Pretty much answered in #1 - nothing, IMO. Give him his 30 starts, and go from there. His performance this year will have some say on if/when we draft a QB in 2009 or 2010. Even if he has an average, or even below average year in 2008, the Chiefs aren't going to start a rookie at the QB position in 2009. Croyle will get at least half of the year while the rook learns the playbook. I'm not concerned with the win total, since there are another 21 guys that attribute to that as well. Had the defense held up their end of the bargain in a few games last year, he'd already have a couple of wins under his belt.
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07-22-2008, 02:33 PM	#12
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07-22-2008, 02:34 PM	#13
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	I'm willing to give him the entire season. We're not going to contend anyways, so why not let him prove himself one way or the other. I'm much more interested to see how LJ looks, if Bowe can repeat last year's performance, what the Oline does, how the defense improves with Dorsey in the middle, etc.
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07-22-2008, 02:35 PM	#14
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3211616	I'm already on the Tyler Thigpen bandwagon. I don't know - I'll give the kid half a season to show something, but I won't "throw him under the bus" if he gets as good supporting help around him as he did last year. The line MUST play better, period, for him or anyone on offense to be improved.
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