Chiefs Why isn't Herm gone? part II

whoman69 · 09-27-2008, 07:58 AM

Before the Atlanta game I posted a poll about when to pull the trigger on firing Herm. I think it was partly skewed by the fact that more than half thought he shouldn't have even started this season. Let's take out the rewriting history part. Its a mess, how do you deal with it. I'm posting a poll with a different look. I'd like to hear from the nearly 20% who in the first poll wanted to see how this season plays out.

**Bwana** · 09-27-2008, 08:00 AM

Herm has "the pictures."

whoman69 · 09-27-2008, 08:01 AM

btw, forgot to put a link into the first poll
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=192120

JuicesFlowing · 09-27-2008, 08:04 AM

Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

triple · 09-27-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

yep. do it after the season.

Deberg_1990 · 09-27-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

What he said.

unfortunately, we are stuck with this turd for 13 more games.

I pray Clark doesnt look at him like a "1st year rebuilding coach".......

TN_Chief · 09-27-2008, 08:21 AM

First, I belive that Herm should be fired no later than the end of the season. Period. But if we lose 16 consecutive games, he should be gone then.

And I don't want to heard about McKay and the expansion Bucs...we are not them. If Herm can't somehow swing a victory in a year, his ass should be run out of town on a rail.

For those that say firing him during the season will do nothing, IMO at some point you have to make a statment (to your fans and your players) that buffoonery, poor preparation, etc. will not be tolerated. So you can him during the season as a wake up call to those who remain.

whoman69 · 09-27-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing

Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.

I'm convinced Herm's scheme would have worked great in the '70s, but even his run game is unimaginative. The way the rules are set up the passing game is wide open both offensively and defensively. He'd rather sit back on defense. His goal on offense is to get to 14 and hope that's enough. That doesn't work when most of your possessions are three and out. He's leaving the defense on the field and keeping his offense off the field.

I don't see how we are served by having our young players indoctrinated in this system one game longer. We are learning some bad habits. Much like we had to reeducate everyone after being in Grob's defense, we are going to have to reeducate everyone how to play football again after this guy is gone. Is it smart to put out a young quarterback into a system in which it is impossible to succeed? Its no surprise that Croyle is failing with the conservative predictable system. We bring in Chan Gailey to supposedly open up the offense a bit, but are taking out half the playbook. It got to end and end now.

angelo · 09-27-2008, 08:34 AM

I am firmly convinced that we will be stuck with Carl and Herm next year.
We will get a new D.C. and O.C. because they will be the scapegoats.

If that is the case I am strongly against drafting a Quarterback.

I do not want him infected with Herms by a dirty Dick Curl.

I would rather they continue to rebuild the Defense (Linebackers and Defensive End and O-line, Wide Receivers) on offense.

Trade any players with Piss poor attitude(L.J.-Tony GOLLUM (one ring rules them all)) or who have not played to there level.

Derek Johnson, Pollard?, Page, Bell,Sams (Focking Sams), Ron Edwards, Damion McIntosh, Adrian Jones, Jeff Webb, The Invisible Man(DVD), John McGraw, Huard, Thigpen, Pat Thomas, The Napster, Donny Edwards, Nick Novak

You know that is just sad how long that list is.

Just My thoughts

I am Not a fair weather fan, I watch every game just to see a spark.
The Players now have dead eyes already.

Ang

rad · 09-27-2008, 08:45 AM

He should be fired during the 2nd quarter of the next game. Clark should come down to the sideline, go off on an animated tirade, then grab the headset and gameplan from him and finish the game himself, while Herm slinks away, pouting.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-27-2008, 08:58 AM

Did Cameron make it through the whole season last year when the Dolphins went 1-15? I am struggling to think of a coach that was fired during the season.

**Buehler445** · 09-27-2008, 09:20 AM

IMO, he should have been shitcanned after the Faider game. He ran the option. THE OPTION. JFC...

There is serious merit to the guys that say it can do more harm than good to the continuity of the season and the young guys development. But I contend that Herm's bullshit ass antics aren't contributing much to the young guys development either. Especially on the defensive side of the ball, which is supposed to be his deal. We've got some ballers on that side of the ball, but we very well should, given the draft picks we've committed to it. But their sills and abilities haven't grown much between day 1 and the current time. Moreover, the gameplanning and playcalling (that I don't really think it is arguable that he has a pretty dramatic effect on) is not doing the young guys any freaking favors.

I picked "Yes. 3 games would have been enough" because it is the closest I could get to canning him before the season. Plus at some point, you just have to accept that you made the wrong decision and cut your losses and move forward.

whoman69 · 09-27-2008, 09:53 AM

What good goes about from keeping him on the rest of the season? Why do we continue to teach our young players in a losing scheme?

**2112** · 09-27-2008, 09:58 AM

He's black and the echos of racism would come raining down on Castle Arrowhead. hell, I'm surprised he hasn't asked for a raise like he did with the Jets after a shitty season.

milkman · 09-27-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimension2112

He's black

Well that destroys that myth about blacks having big dicks.

View Poll Results: Would you have fired Herm?
Yes, three games is enough	40	55.56%
If we lose X more games	4	5.56%
Let's see how this season plays out	27	37.50%
Whatever Gaz decides	1	1.39%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

09-27-2008, 07:58 AM
whoman69 The Master Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Marion, IA Casino cash: $10004925	Why isn't Herm gone? part II Before the Atlanta game I posted a poll about when to pull the trigger on firing Herm. I think it was partly skewed by the fact that more than half thought he shouldn't have even started this season. Let's take out the rewriting history part. Its a mess, how do you deal with it. I'm posting a poll with a different look. I'd like to hear from the nearly 20% who in the first poll wanted to see how this season plays out.
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09-27-2008, 08:00 AM	#2
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2136043647	Herm has "the pictures." __________________ Adventure is dangerous....but monotony can kill you.
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09-27-2008, 08:04 AM	#4
JuicesFlowing Losing with passion. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oblivion Casino cash: $10004925	Firing Herm during this season isn't going to save our season. I'm not a Herm apologist, I'm just saying, firing him now isn't going to change anything.
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09-27-2008, 08:21 AM	#7
TN_Chief Herm Edwards is...Kim Jong-il Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eden Prairie, MN Casino cash: $10004900	First, I belive that Herm should be fired no later than the end of the season. Period. But if we lose 16 consecutive games, he should be gone then. And I don't want to heard about McKay and the expansion Bucs...we are not them. If Herm can't somehow swing a victory in a year, his ass should be run out of town on a rail. For those that say firing him during the season will do nothing, IMO at some point you have to make a statment (to your fans and your players) that buffoonery, poor preparation, etc. will not be tolerated. So you can him during the season as a wake up call to those who remain. Last edited by TN_Chief; 09-27-2008 at 08:23 AM.. Reason: Expand
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09-27-2008, 08:34 AM	#9
angelo Starter Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $9094965	I am firmly convinced that we will be stuck with Carl and Herm next year. We will get a new D.C. and O.C. because they will be the scapegoats. If that is the case I am strongly against drafting a Quarterback. I do not want him infected with Herms by a dirty Dick Curl. I would rather they continue to rebuild the Defense (Linebackers and Defensive End and O-line, Wide Receivers) on offense. Trade any players with Piss poor attitude(L.J.-Tony GOLLUM (one ring rules them all)) or who have not played to there level. Derek Johnson, Pollard?, Page, Bell,Sams (Focking Sams), Ron Edwards, Damion McIntosh, Adrian Jones, Jeff Webb, The Invisible Man(DVD), John McGraw, Huard, Thigpen, Pat Thomas, The Napster, Donny Edwards, Nick Novak You know that is just sad how long that list is. Just My thoughts I am Not a fair weather fan, I watch every game just to see a spark. The Players now have dead eyes already. Ang
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09-27-2008, 08:58 AM	#11
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $388880	Did Cameron make it through the whole season last year when the Dolphins went 1-15? I am struggling to think of a coach that was fired during the season.
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09-27-2008, 09:20 AM	#12
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1375266	IMO, he should have been shitcanned after the Faider game. He ran the option. THE OPTION. JFC... There is serious merit to the guys that say it can do more harm than good to the continuity of the season and the young guys development. But I contend that Herm's bullshit ass antics aren't contributing much to the young guys development either. Especially on the defensive side of the ball, which is supposed to be his deal. We've got some ballers on that side of the ball, but we very well should, given the draft picks we've committed to it. But their sills and abilities haven't grown much between day 1 and the current time. Moreover, the gameplanning and playcalling (that I don't really think it is arguable that he has a pretty dramatic effect on) is not doing the young guys any freaking favors. I picked "Yes. 3 games would have been enough" because it is the closest I could get to canning him before the season. Plus at some point, you just have to accept that you made the wrong decision and cut your losses and move forward.
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09-27-2008, 09:58 AM	#14
2112 Reset Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $6966765	He's black and the echos of racism would come raining down on Castle Arrowhead. hell, I'm surprised he hasn't asked for a raise like he did with the Jets after a shitty season.
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