Chiefs This has gone beyond "rebuilding" - Page 4

**petegz28** · 10-05-2008, 08:18 PM

After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history.

It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties.

Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year.

And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only.

Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo.

It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.

JuicesFlowing · 10-06-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

This goes well beyond Jared Allen.

But what I really don't understand is why would they ever trade a young stud end when they were rebuilding?

Robbing Peter to pay Paul never is a good idea.

That's exactly why all of the Trade LJ talk makes me laugh. When he puts up 198 yards on Denver, that talk is gone I've noticed. LJ may not be "young" but still.

2bikemike · 10-06-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I just want to see consistent, overall improvement in the play at key positions (CB, DL, WR, whatever) and I want to see the guys fight hard until the last whistle. As long as that happens, I'm okay.

Oh, and I'd like to see the coaches stop impeding the development of the players by calling games like they're pulling plays out the ass of a mushroom addict they picked up off the street outside the stadium.

FAX

Thats how I feel too. I knew we would have rough times (today was way beyond rough) I understand we needed to rebuild the problem is we needed to rebuild from the top to the bottom. That means Carl and Herm have to go to make it any better.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-06-2008, 02:34 AM

It's pretty obvious that this team has no discipline. You can tell that they don't practice hard and that no one is in fear for their jobs. When you compound that with the fact that our coaching staff is woefully inept, there isn't anywhere to go but further down.

At halftime today they asked Herm what they had to do. He said "tackle better, block better" as though those were the only reasons why we were getting our asses whipped. He said nothing of making adjustments to what Carolina was doing on offense or defense

kstater · 10-06-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xbarretx

b/c were still not set (as current things stand) at QB and passing is Herms antimatter. if he even thinks about it he instantly bursts into flames.

hell i would rather us throw it deep and rack up the ints instead of the lack of gameplan that we witness every week.

Hey now, Huard threw it deep once yesterday. Granted, there was no reciever within 30 yards of the pass, but he threw it deep.

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, because everyone knows that the Cleveland Browns made the Super Bowl the year after they came back into the league and that the Houston Texans are 4-0 instead of 0-4.

and even though they sucked, who did both of those teams select 1st in the draft to rebuild with? A QB: Tim Couch and David Carr

Demonpenz · 10-06-2008, 05:43 AM

People are going to get bent out of shape, but this is what rebuilding is. You can't have a rainbow without some rain

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

People are going to get bent out of shape, but this is what rebuilding is. You can't have a rainbow without some rain

My whole thing is, the true "rebuild" wont begin until we get a REAL QB.

Demonpenz · 10-06-2008, 05:51 AM

part of the rebuild was taking a look at croyle, so we know what we got there. So even though we don't have a qb, we are still rebuilding

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-06-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

and even though they sucked, who did both of those teams select 1st in the draft to rebuild with? A QB: Tim Couch and David Carr

And why do they STILL suck - many, many years later?

Drafting a QB #1 isn't the cure-all some here claim it to be.

Hootie · 10-06-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Then that would mean we traded one stud position for another. We robbed Peter to pay Paul. Not really good enough.

Who else did we get with that trade? Charles and Cottam?

and we saved a boat load of money...

rad · 10-06-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, because everyone knows that the Cleveland Browns made the Super Bowl the year after they came back into the league and that the Houston Texans are 4-0 instead of 0-4.

What a reeruned post.

You never get the point.

**the Talking Can** · 10-06-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Until we get a legit QB prospect we aren't even rebuilding, we're just spinning our wheels.

yes

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-06-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Until we get a legit QB prospect we aren't even rebuilding, we're just spinning our wheels.

Agree, however the key word in your post is "legit."

**petegz28** · 10-06-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

I agree with the team not improving, sans punting team..

But you cannot use JA as a reason.. The guy is on a team that is 10x better defensivly with talent and is performing under par after getting paid.. It was better to move on..

As for the RE to LE with Hali, I agree, we should have brought somebody in or promoted somebody up instead of switching Hali.. I blame Herm on this, the guy is clueless outside of the draft board..

I am not using JA as a reason. I am saying that Peterson did nothing to get another true DE signed and instead moved people to positions they never played before and expected to be productive.

Gary · 10-06-2008, 07:45 AM

Question: Comparing the most productive years under Marty S. vs. the Herm years, what are the biggest differences that you all see? Obviously a strong talent level difference at certain key positions. Doesn't it also seem that the players of that time played like they had more invested in their performances every week? Does it simply boil down to discipline?

10-05-2008, 08:18 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-895873	This has gone beyond "rebuilding" After Sunday's drubbing at the hands of the Panthers, the Chiefs are faced with some cold hard realities. They are going backwards. They have gone so far backwards that they have taken this team to the lowest in it's history. It is more than obvious Herm has no ****ing clue of how to coach a football team and win. I seriously think that our practices are giant excuse making parties. Not 1 part of this team has improved from the time Herm has arrived. Not 1. The defense showed promise last year only to take 3 steps back this year. And Carl is not without blame in all of this. He knew the situation that would be created with our D line when we traded Allen. So from the draft on we didn't make any effort to sign a DE worth a shit. Instead we got suckered into another one of his bullshit schemes where we move the LE to the RE and the DT to DE and pretend it will all work. MLB was not addressed and our O line was improved by 1 player only. Instead this team wasted time with the likes of BJ Samms ala Eddie Drummond, Devard Darling ala Gardner and still have yet to sign a kicker worth a shit since Stoyo. It will suck when the blackouts hit. I can't remember a blackout since the Deberg days.
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10-06-2008, 02:34 AM	#48
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	It's pretty obvious that this team has no discipline. You can tell that they don't practice hard and that no one is in fear for their jobs. When you compound that with the fact that our coaching staff is woefully inept, there isn't anywhere to go but further down. At halftime today they asked Herm what they had to do. He said "tackle better, block better" as though those were the only reasons why we were getting our asses whipped. He said nothing of making adjustments to what Carolina was doing on offense or defense __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Gary The Shepherd Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny Florida Casino cash: $9955472	Question: Comparing the most productive years under Marty S. vs. the Herm years, what are the biggest differences that you all see? Obviously a strong talent level difference at certain key positions. Doesn't it also seem that the players of that time played like they had more invested in their performances every week? Does it simply boil down to discipline? __________________ The truth is you're the weak and I am the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin Ringo...I'm tryin real hard to be the shepherd.
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