Speculation about Zack Greinke being traded to the Braves

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Interesting. You don't trade a very high-quality pitcher for a high-quality OF. Not smart. Like giving up an All-Pro QB for an All-Pro guard. If however, we could get a very good SS and C, tough positions to fill, that would be outstanding.

Big gamble for Dayton...

That is absolutely false.

You make this trade. Position players are always more valuable than pitchers. That's why the A's never won anything with Hudson, Mulder, and Zito in their prime of primes.

Pitchers aren't as valuable as everyday players for the same reason closers aren't as valuable as starters--they cannot affect the game as much. Everyday players have more chances to change the outcome of a game.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That is absolutely false.

You make this trade. Position players are always more valuable than pitchers. That's why the A's never won anything with Hudson, Mulder, and Zito in their prime of primes.

Pitchers aren't as valuable as everyday players for the same reason closers aren't as valuable as starters--they cannot affect the game as much. Everyday players have more chances to change the outcome of a game.

I disagree. Pitching is where it's at. See the '06-'07 Yanks.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I disagree. Pitching is where it's at. See the '06-'07 Yanks.

To add, balance, of course, is the goal. But if I have to choose one aspect of the game to be my strength, it's pitching--keeps otherwise terrible teams in games.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I disagree. Pitching is where it's at. See the '06-'07 Yanks.

Pitching is only paramount in the playoffs. In the regular season, solid everyday players are far more important to a team's success.

Think about it this way:

Albert Pujols has about 650 ABs a year, that's 650 chances to impact the game with his bat. Combine that with the fact that he had 1300 put outs on defense and over 130 assists.

Sabathia, in one of the most yeoman-like performances by a pitcher in years, faced about 1000 batters.

Greinke faced 850, but not only that, he did it once every five days.

If you want further evidence,

Pujols was worth 35 wins by himself last year.
Tim Lincecum, who was ****ing DOMINANT, was worth 27 wins

(measured by win-shares).

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Pitching is only paramount in the playoffs. In the regular season, solid everyday players are far more important to a team's success.

Think about it this way:

Albert Pujols has about 650 ABs a year, that's 650 chances to impact the game with his bat. Combine that with the fact that he had 1300 put outs on defense and over 130 assists.

Sabathia, in one of the most yeoman-like performances by a pitcher in years, faced about 1000 batters.

Greinke faced 850, but not only that, he did it once every five days.

If you want further evidence,

Pujols was worth 35 wins by himself last year.
Tim Lincecum, who was ****ing DOMINANT, was worth 27 wins

(measured by win-shares).

I know what you're saying. Pujols is a strange example. I wouldn't factor his defensive production into your argument b/c of the position that he plays and the fact that he would be easily replaceable in this capacity. His AB's on the other hand, are completely other-worldly. Plus, it's almost impossible to determine his greater impact on the game (being pitched around, making opponents piss themselves, etc.)

If we're getting Pujols, by all means, sign me up five times. If we're netting "nice" players for potential dominance, I'd say no.

That said, this is the type of risk that a team like the Royals must be willing to make.