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[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

When he measures in at 6'3 230lbs and has a 40 time that is sub 4.4 someone will completely fall in love.

Not to mention he has 3 years of starting experience in a pro style defense and is very good in coverage. When you see that SC never gets beat deep, he's why alot of times he's asked to cover that by himself, the amount of field he's asked to cover is ridiculous yet he does it.

Those are some great intangibles and attributes for a safety. but im asking for your opinion Mecca, Do you think he is good enough to go in the top 5 or top 10?

Im not against picking Mays if it means improvement on the defense, I think this team could really use a stud at safety because Im not sold on either Pollard or Page. but, if the Chiefs could trade down to like 11th or 12th and stockpile on picks and still manage to pick Mays, then that would put a smile on my face. Improvement in the secondary plus stockpiling draft picks is what this fan wouldn't mind.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Those are some great intangibles and attributes for a safety. but im asking for your opinion Mecca, Do you think he is good enough to go in the top 5 or top 10?

Im not against picking Mays if it means improvement on the defense, I think this team could really use a stud at safety because Im not sold on either Pollard or Page. but, if the Chiefs could trade down to like 11th or 12th and stockpile on picks and still manage to pick Mays, then that would put a smile on my face. Improvement in the secondary plus stockpiling draft picks is what this fan wouldn't mind.

If you want a guy who is an athletic freak, runs like a CB built like a LB that can cover the entire deep middle by himself, then you'll love him. Plus he has room to improve. He's still very raw as a blitzer because he's very seldom asked to do that because of his skill in coverage.

I'd take him because what Taylor Mays brings is special, he allows the team to blitz because his range allows him to get to places most other guys never could.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you want a guy who is an athletic freak, runs like a CB built like a LB that can cover the entire deep middle by himself, then you'll love him. Plus he has room to improve. He's still very raw as a blitzer because he's very seldom asked to do that because of his skill in coverage.

I'd take him because what Taylor Mays brings is special, he allows the team to blitz because his range allows him to get to places most other guys never could.

Love those qualities but I look for more. Is he is a good tackler? Because the other guys aren't. Does he have the ability to close in on angles and gaps quickly enough? Can he shed off blocks? Is he a smart football player? Does he have the ability to read an offense? Can he read a QB's eyes well enough to point where he doesn't bite on fakes and stuff. I look for good discipline, read and react, timing, physciality, smarts, reputation...is he a team first guy?

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Love those qualities but I look for more. Is he is a good tackler? Because the other guys aren't. Does he have the ability to close in on angles and gaps quickly enough? Can he shed off blocks? Is he a smart football player? Does he have the ability to read an offense? Can he read a QB's eyes well enough to point where he doesn't bite on fakes and stuff. I look for good discipline, read and react, timing, physciality, smarts, reputation...is he a team first guy?

Have you ever watched USC play? Mays is a freaking stud. And all the Trojan defense players play smart and stay to the game plan. Hell I cant stand USC but I will give them credit when credit is due.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Have you ever watched USC play? Mays is a freaking stud. And all the Trojan defense players play smart and stay to the game plan. Hell I cant stand USC but I will give them credit when credit is due.

It's the same thing with Keith Rivers last year, very few players on that defense will have giant statistical years because they play their assignments and know the other guys on the team are just as good as them and will make the play.

No one has to be a one man team with the 130 tackles and all that, that you see some guys do in some defenses.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the same thing with Keith Rivers last year, very few players on that defense will have giant statistical years because they play their assignments and know the other guys on the team are just as good as them and will make the play.

No one has to be a one man team with the 130 tackles and all that, that you see some guys do in some defenses.

::cough::jameslaurinaitis::cough::

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

::cough::jameslaurinaitis::cough::

It's really to bad we won't get to see the Florida offense matchup with the SC defense...that's the best matchup out there...

I hope you enjoy your title after you kill Oklahoma.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

::cough::jameslaurinaitis::cough::

If only there was a stat that combined your tackles, and how far from the LOS they occurred...

Seems like every time I watch an OSU game, JL makes a large number of his tackles 6-10 yards from the LOS.

Am I the only one that sees this?

[evolve27]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the same thing with Keith Rivers last year, very few players on that defense will have giant statistical years because they play their assignments and know the other guys on the team are just as good as them and will make the play.

No one has to be a one man team with the 130 tackles and all that, that you see some guys do in some defenses.

I'd take Maualuga over Mays if both were available either one hands down over Michael Johnson. Mays has offensive coordinator game plan changing ability. Maualuga could help our inept pass rush and plug the run and can cover with speed. Only knock is if he fits in our system, may be suited for 3-4. I think one of the Tackles would be better suited over them however at this point. Hope he can stay healthy in the Pros if we go ILB.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Have you ever watched USC play? Mays is a freaking stud. And all the Trojan defense players play smart and stay to the game plan. Hell I cant stand USC but I will give them credit when credit is due.

Nope I haven't watched USC play. That's why Im asking.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you want a guy who is an athletic freak, runs like a CB built like a LB that can cover the entire deep middle by himself, then you'll love him. Plus he has room to improve. He's still very raw as a blitzer because he's very seldom asked to do that because of his skill in coverage.

I'd take him because what Taylor Mays brings is special, he allows the team to blitz because his range allows him to get to places most other guys never could.

I like Mays, too. And would be OK with him at 5/6. But then again, I'm not one of the draftniks that is a stickler for positional value.

Here's a thought: When was the last time there was an NFL draft with two guys who are as big of physical freaks at S as Mays and William Moore?

Moore is going to measure in at about 6-2 1/2, 230. If he's healthy (foot), he will run a 4.4ish time (somewhere between 4.35 and 4.45). His vertical leap will be around 40 inches.

He hasn't been placed in a system to take full advantage of his talents this year, but his physical ability is jaw dropping, just like Mays...

That's two guys with Sean Taylor-type athletic profiles in one draft. Only one in recent memory I can think of that has two such specimens...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I like Mays, too. And would be OK with him at 5/6. But then again, I'm not one of the draftniks that is a stickler for positional value.

Here's a thought: When was the last time there was an NFL draft with two guys who are as big of physical freaks at S as Mays and William Moore?

Moore is going to measure in at about 6-2 1/2, 230. If he's healthy (foot), he will run a 4.4ish time (somewhere between 4.35 and 4.45). His vertical leap will be around 40 inches.

He hasn't been placed in a system to take full advantage of his talents this year, but his physical ability is jaw dropping, just like Mays...

That's two guys with Sean Taylor-type athletic profiles in one draft. Only one in recent memory I can think of that has two such specimens...

Some people like Moore because he had the big stats as a junior...I guess it's what you like Mays will time a bit faster but his stats aren't as productive because of how he's used.

It's what you like Moore has had a big stat year where he was let to freelance and make plays Mays has always been in a system that never allowed that and he had to play disciplined in his scheme.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Some people like Moore because he had the big stats as a junior...I guess it's what you like Mays will time a bit faster but his stats aren't as productive because of how he's used.

It's what you like Moore has had a big stat year where he was let to freelance and make plays Mays has always been in a system that never allowed that and he had to play disciplined in his scheme.

I like Moore for the same reason I like Mays: because he's a phenomenal athlete with strong fundamentals. A lot of people are down on him after this year because he had a shitty year, statistically (because he was put in the slot half the time and blitzed nearly half of those situations), but I still like him. He's a rare athlete for a safety, to be able to carry that size without losing speed. He can lay the big hit but also is a strong fundamental tackler. Great short-area quickness and burst. Good ball skills, obviously, too.

He and Mays are both freaks of nature. I just don't remember there being two guys that freakish in the draft of late...