NFL Draft At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB... - Page 3

Alphaman · 01-03-2009, 09:42 AM

However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL.

Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well.

Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger

And this deserves a new thread why? Draft a QB at #3, yes we know we've been talking about it for about a year now. Watch out they could be inexperienced, well yeah... so could any other player we take. We've determined this a long time ago, we could get Ryan Leaf or we could get John Elway, we know this! The difference between Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford might be catostrophically different, however I'm hoping that both are viable NFL QBs.

While I agree it didn't deserve a new thread, he's right...

The fanbase will absolutely crush whoever plays QB if they don't compare to Ryan or Flacco.

It will be identical to the rebuilding issue.

People were on board, until the season started, and it was obvious we weren't winning games in 2008.

Same will be true of the QB issue. People want a QBOTF, but very, very few are willing to be patient enough (3-4 years) to see him fully develop.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-03-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We're in total agreement, but you know damn good and well that we're in the minority.

You have people saying that a QB should get 3 years to develop, and then those same people saying Thigpen SHOULDN'T get three years because he can't be "fixed" in three years.

What do we owe a waiver wire project QB, when KC can get a franchise QB with 3rd pick overall? Thigpen will have to battle for the job, because settling for a " good enough" QB who chokes in the second half of games is just idiotic.

milkman · 01-03-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

What do we owe a waiver wire project QB, when KC can get a franchise QB with 3rd pick overall? Thigpen will have to battle for the job, because settling for a " good enough" QB who chokes in the second half of games is just idiotic.

No one owes anybody anything.

And Path isn't suggesting anyone settle.

He's asking why people who aren't willing to give Thigpen time to develop think they can have patience for a rookie QB?

smittysbar · 01-03-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

While I agree it didn't deserve a new thread, he's right...

The fanbase will absolutely crush whoever plays QB if they don't compare to Ryan or Flacco.

It will be identical to the rebuilding issue.

People were on board, until the season started, and it was obvious we weren't winning games in 2008.

Same will be true of the QB issue. People want a QBOTF, but very, very few are willing to be patient enough (3-4 years) to see him fully develop.

Well which is it? In the previous post you said that everyone would make excuses, then you say the fan base will crush him.....

People were on board for the rebuild, but you don't have to set NFL worst records and Team records to rebuild, fans saw that it was not going in the right direction and knew it was time for change.

blueballs · 01-03-2009, 12:09 PM

Don't know who will be available
but saying they SHOULD take a QB
this is insane

smittysbar · 01-03-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No one owes anybody anything.

And Path isn't suggesting anyone settle.

He's asking why people who aren't willing to give Thigpen time to develop think they can have patience for a rookie QB?

Path and you both know why.

Thigpen: Has to play in a spread, can't read defense, very inaccurate, horrible long ball, and other problems.

He just doesn't have enough up side at this point to waste time on him. He will make a fine back up, more than anyone, including himself probably ever expected.

blueballs · 01-03-2009, 12:12 PM

Chiefs you are on the clock
the card says the Chiefs select: QB

**Manila-Chief** · 01-03-2009, 12:21 PM

Depending upon who gets the GM job ... if it's Bradway ... it doesn't matter coz it will be business as usual with the Chiefs.

If the GM is one of the 3 or 4 mentioned previously (from a winning organization), after he/his new coach evaluates Thigpen, I trust him to make the decision. I tend to think that Thigpen does not have the potential of a true QBOTF, but I admit this is a GM/talent scout/coaching decision and not mine. So, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

That being said, the opportunity to take a top flight QB only happens rarely (at least I hope we show progress next year and do not have this opportunity next year … if not we are in trouble with both new GM/Coach and in that case it will not matter who they draft). If one of the 3 QB’s are available, I think we should seize the opportunity and take him. Seems like that doubles our possibility of having a quality QB. If Thigpen develops into the next Elway, then we can trade the drafted guy. If Thigpen gets hurt, we have another in the wings.

Someone mentioned wasting a pick if the QB is another Ryan Leaf … you mean like Ryan Sims??? Point, there are draft pick misses at all positions. We have used journeymen QB’s for way too long. If the GM/staff determine there is a legit QBOTF, I hope they pick him. As has been said above, if they hit on this pick, it will set us up at that position for well over a dozen years. Course, the next question (as to his success) who will be his coach/QB coach? But, that is the subject of another thread. But, as I reflect … Elway/Manning/Breeze didn’t need a “special” coach to become successful. Elway/Breeze were under at least 2 different coaches. Yeah, I recognize none was a Curl!!!!!!!!!!

Sanchez has not been mentioned much. But, I liked what I saw of him in the Rose Bowl. He might be the best of all 3????

Now, in passing, if a team wants to trade and give us their draft (aka NO for Ricky), I’m all for that as well. But, an Elway/P. Manning just might be worth a whole draft????

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No one owes anybody anything.

And Path isn't suggesting anyone settle.

He's asking why people who aren't willing to give Thigpen time to develop think they can have patience for a rookie QB?

This.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Path and you both know why.

Thigpen: Has to play in a spread, can't read defense, very inaccurate, horrible long ball, and other problems.

He just doesn't have enough up side at this point to waste time on him. He will make a fine back up, more than anyone, including himself probably ever expected.

You don't know what his upside is, he's played 11 games.

Everything on your list can be corrected with proper coaching. And honestly, I'm tired of the assumption that he HAS to play in the spread. When he was given significant time in the PS (against Arizona, and not running the spread) he did a decent job. 59% - 174 yards - 1/1 TD/INT in a half of play. We're running the spread for the sake of the OL and offense in general - not completely because Thigpen CAN'T operate a pro-style offense.

Again, I'm NOT saying the kid should be given the starting job.

But it's pretty obvious that the biggest issues people have with him is that he's a 7th round pick and that his biggest success has come from a "gimmick" offense.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Well which is it? In the previous post you said that everyone would make excuses, then you say the fan base will crush him.....

People were on board for the rebuild, but you don't have to set NFL worst records and Team records to rebuild, fans saw that it was not going in the right direction and knew it was time for change.

Sorry, Smitty - but I call bullshit.

Everyone KNEW who the coach was going to be to lead this "rebuilding" when we signed off on it.

Had the fans been OK with it, THEN Herm was brought in, it would all make sense. But you can't say "I'm OK with rebuilding" then say you're not because the coach is a ****ing dolt. We knew that going in.

milkman · 01-03-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sorry, Smitty - but I call bullshit.

Everyone KNEW who the coach was going to be to lead this "rebuilding" when we signed off on it.

Had the fans been OK with it, THEN Herm was brought in, it would all make sense. But you can't say "I'm OK with rebuilding" then say you're not because the coach is a ****ing dolt. We knew that going in.

I disagree.

I was, and still am, behind the rebuild, and I even gave credit to Herman ****ing Edwards for initiating the process.

However, it has never been any secret that I never had faith from the start in either Carl or Herman ****ing Edwards.

They did the right thing, they were just the wrong people doing it.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree.

I was, and still am, behind the rebuild, and I even gave credit to Herman ****ing Edwards for initiating the process.

However, it has never been any secret that I never had faith from the start in either Carl or Herman ****ing Edwards.

They did the right thing, they were just the wrong people doing it.

I feel the same way, and you and I aren't the people I'm talking about.

milkman · 01-03-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I feel the same way, and you and I aren't the people I'm talking about.

The fact is, most of the people here, with any sign of intelligence, which leaves people like Chiefsfan88 out, never really complained about the direction of the team.

They did, however, complain about the piss poor coaching these young guys have been subjected to.

**the Talking Can** · 01-03-2009, 12:46 PM

herm and the rebuild are separate things

and we aren't rebuilding in any meaningful, structured way until we commit to a QB, which we haven't yet...

Herm is just a shitty coach who hires shitty assistants...the sooner they are gone the better for our "rebuild"....

01-03-2009, 09:42 AM
Alphaman Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Austin, TX, USA Casino cash: $10004900	At number 3 the Chiefs should take a QB... However, Chiefs fans should not expect the same results as those delivered by Flacco and Ryan. I say that for mainly one reason. Both Flacco and Ryan finished their senior years at their respective schools. That level of maturity and leadership experience certainly helped them in their preparation for their rookie year in the NFL. Both Stafford and Bradford will be underclassmen if they come out. They won't have the same level of maturity or leadership experience when they hit the NFL. I know they are both leaders, but in college being a senior in the lockerroom carries a lot weight and respect even if there is a talented QB in the lockerroom as well. Take Mizzou for example. Last season Chase Daniel was a leader on the team, but THE leaders on the team were Pig Brown and Martin Rucker. Seniors carry the big stick in college.
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01-03-2009, 12:09 PM	#35
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Don't know who will be available but saying they SHOULD take a QB this is insane
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01-03-2009, 12:12 PM	#37
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Chiefs you are on the clock the card says the Chiefs select: QB
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01-03-2009, 12:21 PM	#38
Manila-Chief Supporter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Memphis/Miss Casino cash: $10006883	Depending upon who gets the GM job ... if it's Bradway ... it doesn't matter coz it will be business as usual with the Chiefs. If the GM is one of the 3 or 4 mentioned previously (from a winning organization), after he/his new coach evaluates Thigpen, I trust him to make the decision. I tend to think that Thigpen does not have the potential of a true QBOTF, but I admit this is a GM/talent scout/coaching decision and not mine. So, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. That being said, the opportunity to take a top flight QB only happens rarely (at least I hope we show progress next year and do not have this opportunity next year … if not we are in trouble with both new GM/Coach and in that case it will not matter who they draft). If one of the 3 QB’s are available, I think we should seize the opportunity and take him. Seems like that doubles our possibility of having a quality QB. If Thigpen develops into the next Elway, then we can trade the drafted guy. If Thigpen gets hurt, we have another in the wings. Someone mentioned wasting a pick if the QB is another Ryan Leaf … you mean like Ryan Sims??? Point, there are draft pick misses at all positions. We have used journeymen QB’s for way too long. If the GM/staff determine there is a legit QBOTF, I hope they pick him. As has been said above, if they hit on this pick, it will set us up at that position for well over a dozen years. Course, the next question (as to his success) who will be his coach/QB coach? But, that is the subject of another thread. But, as I reflect … Elway/Manning/Breeze didn’t need a “special” coach to become successful. Elway/Breeze were under at least 2 different coaches. Yeah, I recognize none was a Curl!!!!!!!!!! Sanchez has not been mentioned much. But, I liked what I saw of him in the Rose Bowl. He might be the best of all 3???? Now, in passing, if a team wants to trade and give us their draft (aka NO for Ricky), I’m all for that as well. But, an Elway/P. Manning just might be worth a whole draft????
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