Chiefs Pioli will want to win NOW - Page 2

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:15 PM

He's going to have to use FA to do it. Philosophies anyone?

Mine: Bart Scott MLB free agent Ravens
Channing Crowder? Got to have a stud in the middle, our second biggest need.

Draft: move down round one, get xtra pick (only move as far as 8) and still get quality DE pass rusher.

Second round: DE or quality OL- whichever is best at his position.

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

This obviously means I trust Thigpen vs a veteran QB competition.

**the Talking Can** · 01-13-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

He's going to have to use FA to do it. Philosophies anyone?

Mine: Bart Scott MLB free agent Ravens
Channing Crowder? Got to have a stud in the middle, our second biggest need.

Draft: move down round one, get xtra pick (only move as far as 8) and still get quality DE pass rusher.

Second round: DE or quality OL- whichever is best at his position.

We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need.

This obviously means I trust Thigpen vs a veteran QB competition.

where does this nonsense come from?

**RealSNR** · 01-13-2009, 08:30 PM

We need Pioli now more than ever. We were lucky to land him this offseason.

This draft is full of solid players, but no one guy sticks out from the rest. And they can't ALL be superstars. I'm incredibly excited to have a guy like Pioli doing the picking instead of Carl and company

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:30 PM

Look the Andre Smith thing is a fine point, positional value plays in but don't tell me the Chiefs have to without a doubt take a defensive end because this team needs a QB worse than anything.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh great this morphed back into how Thigpen is good enough, kill me now.

U r the only one morphing.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

U r the only one morphing.

You said Thigpen is better than the Chiefs front 7....which basically isn't true they are about equally as bad.

Basileus777 · 01-13-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You said Thigpen is better than the Chiefs front 7....which basically isn't true they are about equally as bad.

Saying Thigpen is better than our front seven is just about the most damning praise possible.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Saying Thigpen is better than our front seven is just about the most damning praise possible.

While true, he used it in a way to say QB isn't that pressing of a need.

philfree · 01-13-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Eh I don't think you try to build a winner in the snap of a finger most teams built that way aren't built for the long haul...

We have no idea what they're going to do we may not even be running the same defensive system which completely changed this whole idea of needing a DE.

No matter what defense we run we'll need to upgrade at DE. As far as the long haul is concerned the Patriots have done pretty well in the long haul and they brought in plenty of FAs. We have plenty of young talent and if things go good we'll add some more in the 2009 draft but we are so young that we need a FA or two shore up a position or two and to also add experience. This team should start trying to put it all together in 2009 and win all the games they can. It goes both ways though. Some teams seem to always be building for the long haul but they never start winning and other teams put all they can into every season trying to build/buy a winner but they only end up middle of the road and underachieve. It takes a balance but you can never go into a season thinking it's o.k. to lose because you're rebuilding. I guess for the long haul a team must make good decisions regarding players in the draft and free agency yearly.

PhilFree

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

We have the worst front 7 in football, need a new right side of the OL, a QB and an improved WR corps.

I agree, but prioritizing them I would put OL and QB behind the defensive front seven as far as what would help us compete most NEXT year, if anybody thinks Pioli won't want to succeed right away you are crazy- not you DakCMan, simply stating he won't go for rebuilding squat and allowing a four or five win season and saying that's improvement, to get what he wants he MUST use FA for specific need spots and the draft (it can't just be one or the other if you want to succeed as quick as what Pioli will want)

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

where does this nonsense come from?

no wonder everyone is switching to different sites except the same ol guys! U R 2 smart for everyone else

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You said Thigpen is better than the Chiefs front 7....which basically isn't true they are about equally as bad.

So Thigpen set all kinds of crappy records? Where did he rank in QB's versus our D?

FringeNC · 01-13-2009, 08:43 PM

Of course he'll want to win now. a good GM and HC can turn around a franchise on a dime.

Danman · 01-13-2009, 08:43 PM

I think we're gonna see free agent signings but not very many big names. Look for guys that are out of their highest pay days are behind them but are still productive. Pioli brought in 23 free agents in one of his first years there. We need some professionals to teach our young roster how to win.

Mecca · 01-13-2009, 08:44 PM

Records? he didn't set any records unless playing a college gimmick offense in the NFL is a record...

QB is the most important position on a team and we don't have one so that takes priority over everything else.

Rick · 01-13-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

No matter what defense we run we'll need to upgrade at DE. As far as the long haul is concerned the Patriots have done pretty well in the long haul and they brought in plenty of FAs. We have plenty of young talent and if things go good we'll add some more in the 2009 draft but we are so young that we need a FA or two shore up a position or two and to also add experience. This team should start trying to put it all together in 2009 and win all the games they can. It goes both ways though. Some teams seem to always be building for the long haul but they never start winning and other teams put all they can into every season trying to build/buy a winner but they only end up middle of the road and underachieve. It takes a balance but you can never go into a season thinking it's o.k. to lose because you're rebuilding. I guess for the long haul a team must make good decisions regarding players in the draft and free agency yearly.

PhilFree

Thank you, this was my only point. You must be a true fan, stated better than I.

01-13-2009, 08:15 PM
Rick chief professor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Pioli will want to win NOW He's going to have to use FA to do it. Philosophies anyone? Mine: Bart Scott MLB free agent Ravens Channing Crowder? Got to have a stud in the middle, our second biggest need. Draft: move down round one, get xtra pick (only move as far as 8) and still get quality DE pass rusher. Second round: DE or quality OL- whichever is best at his position. We can no longer simply pick the best athlete left on the board, we must draft for need. This obviously means I trust Thigpen vs a veteran QB competition.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1474792	We need Pioli now more than ever. We were lucky to land him this offseason. This draft is full of solid players, but no one guy sticks out from the rest. And they can't ALL be superstars. I'm incredibly excited to have a guy like Pioli doing the picking instead of Carl and company
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Look the Andre Smith thing is a fine point, positional value plays in but don't tell me the Chiefs have to without a doubt take a defensive end because this team needs a QB worse than anything.
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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1733986	Of course he'll want to win now. a good GM and HC can turn around a franchise on a dime.
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Danman Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $9775175	I think we're gonna see free agent signings but not very many big names. Look for guys that are out of their highest pay days are behind them but are still productive. Pioli brought in 23 free agents in one of his first years there. We need some professionals to teach our young roster how to win.
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01-13-2009, 08:44 PM	#29
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-652950	Records? he didn't set any records unless playing a college gimmick offense in the NFL is a record... QB is the most important position on a team and we don't have one so that takes priority over everything else.
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