Chiefs Sirius MTC interview with Todd Haley - Page 3

ChiefRon · 03-23-2009, 02:05 PM

Just mentioned, supposed to be in the next hour or so...

FWIW

**the Talking Can** · 03-23-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Noss

If Cassell can't win the starting job from Thigpen then he should be the backup. The best players should start at all positions.

you don't trade the 34th pick in the draft for a piece of shit who can't beat out Thigpen....

this is not rocket science....

keg in kc · 03-23-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

this is not rocket science....

No it's not, but sometimes I feel like I'm in remedial football for idiots 101b.

Noss · 03-23-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you don't trade the 34th pick in the draft for a piece of shit who can't beat out Thigpen....

this is not rocket science....

A trade does not guarantee a QBOTF. I want Cassell to win the job hands down. But money and trade guarantees nothing. If it did Larry Johnson would be the Chiefs best player. Competition will make the team and players better.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 03-23-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg

I have a sneaking suspicion that we won't have Cassel signed to a long time deal prior to the start of the season. It makes sense when you think about it.

1. We have plenty of cap space now
2. No reason to pony up until he shows he's not a one hit wonder.
3. Competition makes everyone better. A huge deal would be the drawing in the sand for Thigpen.

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TRR · 03-23-2009, 06:34 PM

Haley is smart is saying it will be open competition because...

(1) He knows that several key veterans backed Thigpen last season, and that Thigpen may have a bright future down the line for KC or for another team. Add in the fact that you don't want your backup QB throwing fits in the media or the locker room.

(2) Cassel hasn't proven a lot yet. Make him earn it. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure out that Cassel is the favorite, but let him go out and compete a little bit. Making him work a little bit harder during the offseason won't hurt a thing. And when he beats out Thigpen fair and square, those veterans will come around quicker.

(3) Haley wants competition at all levels. The days of signing guys, and making them "no question" starters before they have ever practiced in red and gold, are over.

The only way I can see something like this back firing his if Haley draws the competition out too long, and doesn't name either Cassel or Thigpen the starter. Poor QB player is terrible, but a QB controvery can be even worse. Let them play, name a starter, and stick with it.

**the Talking Can** · 03-23-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Noss

A trade does not guarantee a QBOTF. I want Cassell to win the job hands down. But money and trade guarantees nothing. If it did Larry Johnson would be the Chiefs best player. Competition will make the team and players better.

if you trade the 34th pick in the draft for a backup then you are too ****ing stupid to be in charge of a franchise....

FringeNC · 03-23-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

if you trade the 34th pick in the draft for a backup then you are too ****ing stupid to be in charge of a franchise....

I actually think the $15 million Cassel is making is even more important. How many $15 million dollar backups are there in the league? How can you justify having that guy on the roster if he isn't starting?

seaofred · 03-23-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

I actually think the $15 million Cassel is making is even more important. How many $15 million dollar backups are there in the league? How can you justify having that guy on the roster if he isn't starting?

Not the same amount of money, but that would be a similar situation as Grabac/Gannon. That is why no matter how much $$ you start the better player.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-23-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Noss

A trade does not guarantee a QBOTF. I want Cassell to win the job hands down. But money and trade guarantees nothing. If it did Larry Johnson would be the Chiefs best player. Competition will make the team and players better.

Holeee Shit.

It's simple economics. Larry Johnson is a starter - that's what his guarantee is with the contract he has.

The Chiefs are paying Matt Cassel 15 million dollars, and gave up the 34th pick in the draft.

You really think it's an open competition?

I mean really? [/end Seth Myers voice]

Mecca · 03-23-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you don't trade the 34th pick in the draft for a piece of shit who can't beat out Thigpen....

this is not rocket science....

I was making a rhetorical point to that guy.

Noss · 03-23-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Holeee Shit.

It's simple economics. Larry Johnson is a starter - that's what his guarantee is with the contract he has.

The Chiefs are paying Matt Cassel 15 million dollars, and gave up the 34th pick in the draft.

You really think it's an open competition?

I mean really? [/end Seth Myers voice]

So you want only the hightest paid players starting and not the best players starting?

**The Bad Guy** · 03-23-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Noss

So you want only the hightest paid players starting and not the best players starting?

If you really think Tyler Thigpen is the best player, then I don't see a need to carry on this conversation.

The point is...

Pioli knows what he has in Cassel. He gushed over him in his intro PC. He's not paying the type of compensation that was required to obtain his services (16 million this year, plus a 2nd rounder) unless he KNEW he was going to be the starter.

They watched Tyler Thigpen tape. They saw what most of us saw. An erratic QB, who couldn't make adjustments. I shutter to think what defenses will do to him next year when they have about 10 games of tape to study.

This is NFL economics. It has nothing to do with whether I want the best player starting. It has everything to do with you don't tie up large contracts on bench players.

-King- · 03-23-2009, 08:04 PM

Damn, and to think the Thigpen arguments would have been done after the trade...

Hopefully he does well and we can get a trade!!!

KcFanInGA · 03-23-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

I'm soooooo glad there is no more Brodie Croyle

talk this year. Man, what a difference a year makes!

Amen. Im givin you rep for this. I had, at one time, hoped Croyle would work out, but I must have forgotten that he's made of glass and toothpicks. I think a competition will work out best for us at the qb spot, just unsure if they will really do that. And I wouldn't get too excited about bringing in other qbs, b/c that could go either way. Anyone know if Croyle will be at camp. Could be Haley was referring to him, and Ingle Martin(?).

KcFanInGA · 03-23-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If Cassel can't win the starting job from Thigpen we just traded a 2nd round pick for a complete piece of shit.

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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	Haley is smart is saying it will be open competition because... (1) He knows that several key veterans backed Thigpen last season, and that Thigpen may have a bright future down the line for KC or for another team. Add in the fact that you don't want your backup QB throwing fits in the media or the locker room. (2) Cassel hasn't proven a lot yet. Make him earn it. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure out that Cassel is the favorite, but let him go out and compete a little bit. Making him work a little bit harder during the offseason won't hurt a thing. And when he beats out Thigpen fair and square, those veterans will come around quicker. (3) Haley wants competition at all levels. The days of signing guys, and making them "no question" starters before they have ever practiced in red and gold, are over. The only way I can see something like this back firing his if Haley draws the competition out too long, and doesn't name either Cassel or Thigpen the starter. Poor QB player is terrible, but a QB controvery can be even worse. Let them play, name a starter, and stick with it.
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