Chiefs Chiefs sign OL Goff!! - Page 13

talastan · 03-25-2009, 11:26 AM

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Chiefs sign OL Goff
The Chiefs agreed to contract terms today with veteran offensive lineman Mike Goff. Goff has some versatility and could wind up starting for the Chiefs at center or right guard.

The 33-year-old Goff played 11 NFL seasons, the first six with Cincinnati and the last five with San Diego. He has been a starter for the past nine seasons.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'd rather TRY with guys like that and have the wheels fall off than do what we did last year and never take the training wheels off.

I'm not sure I follow. The wheels had fallen off in 2006, yet Carl did nothing.

Albert, Niswanger & Taylor all saw a considerable amount of time. Sackintosh was another "old timer" signed by Carl that sucked. Alias Smith & Jones are both fairly young but they ****ing blow.

Keeping Weigeman around at age 36 wouldn't have exactly solved the offensive line woes.

The Chiefs failed to draft any offensive lineman one day one for nearly a decade. That's how the line came to suck.

RedThat · 03-25-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

And if you couple them with 1-3 Offensive Linemen in this year's draft you kill two birds with one stone.

It's a pretty good situation if you think about it? A nice blend as well. You bring some veterans and draft some young kids who probably won't start right away, but can learn behind those veterans.

I think thats what this signing will indicate? And the Vrabel signing I see the same way too.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Im convinced O-lineman can play into their mid 30's.

I've seen this shit with the Chiefs, and when they lost Roaf, wiegman, and Shields the line went to complete shits. But I also think the Oline sucked for various other reasons. Our coaching sucked, playcalling was too predictable, and they asked lineman to do things that did not comply to strengths.

*I realize this team has a lot of young players, but you get some veterans, bring more balance of veteran leadership and youth. I don't mind these kind of signings because they add something this team doesn't have enough of.

I'm sorry, I fully disagree.

Sackintosh isn't going to be competent left or right tackle ever. I don't give a **** who's coaching the line. Niswanger is a backup guard at best, Jones & Smith simply can't play and there's no depth beyond Taylor.

You cannot "coach up" guys that don't have talent.

bdeg · 03-25-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Mack's arms are kinda short too aren't they?

This is the difference

I really like the 3rd and short at about 2:16. Miami hits him immediately and hard, even disguised it so he wouldn't know which side it was coming from, but he gets low, gets leverage, and rides his guy out of the play.

And then look how he changes targets and blocks multiple people on the same play

journeyscarab · 03-25-2009, 03:06 PM

on nfl.com it says he may start at center or right guard

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

It's a pretty good situation if you think about it? A nice blend as well. You bring some veterans and draft some young kids who probably won't start right away, but can learn behind those veterans.

I think thats what this signing will indicate? And the Vrabel signing I see the same way too.

If a new center, right guard and right tackle are drafted and don't start on day one, then the Chiefs have done a shitty job of drafting.

Direckshun · 03-25-2009, 03:06 PM

You absolute cannot build an OL on day one picks.

You have to get by with TWO day one picks AT MOST. One (LT) is most ideal and the most realistic. You can get by later in the draft at every other position.

The problem with the Chiefs is that they simply haven't thrown many picks period at the OL. The two we have given time to in the past few years have been Taylor and Richardson, and Taylor has promise to be a good LT backup and maybe more depending on our offense, and Richardson may be a solid OG.

RedThat · 03-25-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not sure I follow. The wheels had fallen off in 2006, yet Carl did nothing.

Albert, Niswanger & Taylor all saw a considerable amount of time. Sackintosh was another "old timer" signed by Carl that sucked. Alias Smith & Jones are both fairly young but they ****ing blow.

Keeping Weigeman around at age 36 wouldn't have exactly solved the offensive line woes.

The Chiefs failed to draft any offensive lineman one day one for nearly a decade. That's how the line came to suck.

I think one of his biggest mistakes was not drafting Olineman when Roaf and shields were getting up there in age. I think he should of done that. So I can agree with you on that part.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

This is the difference

I really like the 3rd and short at about 2:16. Miami hits him hard, but he gets low, gets leverage, and rides his guy out of the play.

I like Mack (though I like Unger better) but the Chiefs have absolutely no chance of drafting either unless they trade out of the #3 hole.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You absolute cannot build an OL on day one picks.

You have to get by with TWO day one picks AT MOST. One (LT) is most ideal and the most realistic. You can get by later in the draft at every other position.

The problem with the Chiefs is that they simply haven't thrown many picks period at the OL. The two we have given time to in the past few years have been Taylor and Richardson, and Taylor has promise to be a good LT backup and maybe more depending on our offense, and Richardson may be a solid OG.

Richardson has the ideal size and strength to be a dominant right tackle.

All he's missing is a desire to play football.

RedThat · 03-25-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If a new center, right guard and right tackle are drafted and don't start on day one, then the Chiefs have done a shitty job of drafting.

How so?

they don't necessarily have to start? Importantly, they have to learn. what better way to learn then having good experiened fellows teach you?

do you understand the concepts of how things work, and what Pioli is trying to do?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I think one of his biggest mistakes was not drafting Olineman when Roaf and shields were getting up there in age. I think he should of done that. So I can agree with you on that part.

Oh, they drafted offensive lineman. The problem is, they ****ing sucked.

Brett Williams, Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson and the All-Pro Will Svitek.

Suck, suck, suck and more suck.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-25-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

How so?

they don't necessarily have to start? Importantly, they have to learn. what better way to learn then having good experiened fellows teach you?

do you understand the concepts of how things work, and what Pioli is trying to do?

How so?

Because if the Chiefs draft a center that can't beat out Niswanger, they chose a shitty player.

If the Chiefs draft a right guard that can't beat out Smith or Jones, they chose a shitty player.

If the Chiefs draft a right tackle that can't beat out Sackintosh, they chose a shitty player.

See how that works?

RedThat · 03-25-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, they drafted offensive lineman. The problem is, they ****ing sucked.

Brett Williams, Jordan Black, Kevin Sampson and the All-Pro Will Svitek.

Suck, suck, suck and more suck.

Okay they sucked buts that a different issue in general. That has more to do with bad evaluation and scouting. You can also throw in bad coaching too?

my point is, you still need veteran leadership, and of course it is important to find the right guys in the draft too.

RedThat · 03-25-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How so?

Because if the Chiefs draft a center that can't beat out Niswanger, they chose a shitty player.

If the Chiefs draft a right guard that can't beat out Smith or Jones, they chose a shitty player.

If the Chiefs draft a right tackle that can't beat out Sackintosh, they chose a shitty player.

See how that works?

Wtf does that have to do with anything Im talking about?

03-25-2009, 11:26 AM
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2073447	You absolute cannot build an OL on day one picks. You have to get by with TWO day one picks AT MOST. One (LT) is most ideal and the most realistic. You can get by later in the draft at every other position. The problem with the Chiefs is that they simply haven't thrown many picks period at the OL. The two we have given time to in the past few years have been Taylor and Richardson, and Taylor has promise to be a good LT backup and maybe more depending on our offense, and Richardson may be a solid OG.
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