Chiefs Cassel or Sanchez? - Page 24

KCBOSS1 · 04-11-2009, 06:45 PM

I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?

ChiefsCountry · 04-12-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Any rookie is a risk because the college game is so different from the pros, and QB is the riskiest of the positions, and hardest to evaluate. The odds are good that Sanchez or Stafford will flame out, they both could. That's why everyone points back the 1983 QB class as such an amazing story, because of how rare it is to get 3 great QB's in one class. In 1999 there were 5 QB's taken in the first round only one has turned out to be really good, while another is just hanging on in the league.

I think you have less than a 50/50 shot that a first round QB will be a reliable starter in the NFL.

Its about 70% success rate for a top 5 pick at QB.
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DTLB58 · 04-12-2009, 08:52 AM

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Or it's that they're from the Belichick/Parcells style of thinking which prefers guys they personally like and are familiar with over anything else.

And I'd say they have been pretty darn succesful at it.

philfree · 04-12-2009, 09:02 AM

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Its about 70% success rate for a top 5 pick at QB.
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Unless they come out early or have less then 30 starts. Then that % goes down a bunch.

PhilFree

Messier · 04-12-2009, 09:08 AM

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Its about 70% success rate for a top 5 pick at QB.
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Since 2000 50% of the QB's taken in the top five are still starting and one is JaMarcus Russell, so who knows how long that will last.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

That's quite "Tebowish" of you Sauto, and it inspires miles of confidence in my football-loving soul.

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I have never pimped tebow, better read the posts leading up to the one you quoted, the talk was about intangibles

milkman · 04-12-2009, 09:51 AM

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Why not support our team/decisions and wait till they have actually played a few games before we make these assumptions? Jeez

Because we have that capacity to think for ourselves that evidently eludes you.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not really. That just means the odds that Cassel is more than a game manager are pretty small. That doesn't mean they're non-existent, or that he can't/won't be more than that.

And a game manager would still be a significant upgrade from anyone else on the roster, assuming he's at least that much.

I don't think it's a bad trade for the price, it just wasn't the move I'd have made. But I can live with it.

We just better hope he's not Scott Mitchell.

how many "game managers" have MULTIPLE 400+ yard games??? and in his first year starting

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

how many "game managers" have MULTIPLE 400+ yard games??? and in his first year starting

Did you watch either of those games?

I recall a play in each of those:

One was a short pass to Welker who made someone miss and ran for over 60 yards before being push OOB.

Another was a similar play to Sam Aiken, who ran for close to 50.

Cassel led the league in yards after the catch. Let's not make it out like he's the one responsible for these mammoth yardage numbers.

Oh, and they were 1-1 in those 2 games.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Did you watch either of those games?

I recall a play in each of those:

One was a short pass to Welker who made someone miss and ran for over 60 yards before being push OOB.

Another was a similar play to Sam Aiken, who ran for close to 50.

Cassel led the league in yards after the catch. Let's not make it out like he's the one responsible for these mammoth yardage numbers.

Oh, and they were 1-1 in those 2 games.

EVERY qb has RAC #s, EVERY ONE, why not find a qb that has thrown for 400+ with NO WR taking a short pass and turning it into a long one. and yes i watched BOTH. but back to the RAC if you watched his games he is EXCELLENT at leading his Wrs and putting the ball to them when they have the opportunity to run.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

EVERY qb has RAC #s, EVERY ONE, why not find a qb that has thrown for 400+ with NO WR taking a short pass and turning it into a long one. and yes i watched BOTH. but back to the RAC if you watched his games he is EXCELLENT at leading his Wrs and putting the ball to them when they have the opportunity to run.

Of course every QB benefits from YAC.

But as the stats prove, none did like Cassel.

IIRC, close to 60% of his yardage was gained after the catch.

(I'd love to see that link again, I can't find it, and I don't have a STATS, Inc account)

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course every QB benefits from YAC.

But as the stats prove, none did like Cassel.

IIRC, close to 60% of his yardage was gained after the catch.

(I'd love to see that link again, I can't find it, and I don't have a STATS, Inc account)

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

philfree · 04-12-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

How much did those same recievers have in 2007? Welker = yac.

PhilFree

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

How much did those same recievers have in 2007? Welker = yac.

PhilFree

i dont know, but tom brady is also pretty ****ing good at putting the ball in a spot where the wrs can run, hitting in stride, away from the defender,etc.

Mile High Mania · 04-12-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

It never hurts having Moss and Welker as your two primary targets, look at 2007 vs 2008 for those guys and aside from RECs being down for Moss, they're both consistent with their AVG YPC... those two guys help any QB and they have nice YAC.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

How much did those same recievers have in 2007? Welker = yac.

PhilFree

against the dolphins in 2007 brady threw for 354 yards and 160 of it was YAC (70 yac for welker) but no one talks about how many YAC they had when TB was behind center. the dolphins game was the only one i could find an article about but i would be willing to bet the actual # is pretty close from 2007-2008

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