Chiefs Cassel or Sanchez?

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not really. That just means the odds that Cassel is more than a game manager are pretty small. That doesn't mean they're non-existent, or that he can't/won't be more than that.

And a game manager would still be a significant upgrade from anyone else on the roster, assuming he's at least that much.

I don't think it's a bad trade for the price, it just wasn't the move I'd have made. But I can live with it.

We just better hope he's not Scott Mitchell.

how many "game managers" have MULTIPLE 400+ yard games??? and in his first year starting

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

how many "game managers" have MULTIPLE 400+ yard games??? and in his first year starting

Did you watch either of those games?

I recall a play in each of those:

One was a short pass to Welker who made someone miss and ran for over 60 yards before being push OOB.

Another was a similar play to Sam Aiken, who ran for close to 50.

Cassel led the league in yards after the catch. Let's not make it out like he's the one responsible for these mammoth yardage numbers.

Oh, and they were 1-1 in those 2 games.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Did you watch either of those games?

I recall a play in each of those:

One was a short pass to Welker who made someone miss and ran for over 60 yards before being push OOB.

Another was a similar play to Sam Aiken, who ran for close to 50.

Cassel led the league in yards after the catch. Let's not make it out like he's the one responsible for these mammoth yardage numbers.

Oh, and they were 1-1 in those 2 games.

EVERY qb has RAC #s, EVERY ONE, why not find a qb that has thrown for 400+ with NO WR taking a short pass and turning it into a long one. and yes i watched BOTH. but back to the RAC if you watched his games he is EXCELLENT at leading his Wrs and putting the ball to them when they have the opportunity to run.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-12-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

EVERY qb has RAC #s, EVERY ONE, why not find a qb that has thrown for 400+ with NO WR taking a short pass and turning it into a long one. and yes i watched BOTH. but back to the RAC if you watched his games he is EXCELLENT at leading his Wrs and putting the ball to them when they have the opportunity to run.

Of course every QB benefits from YAC.

But as the stats prove, none did like Cassel.

IIRC, close to 60% of his yardage was gained after the catch.

(I'd love to see that link again, I can't find it, and I don't have a STATS, Inc account)

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course every QB benefits from YAC.

But as the stats prove, none did like Cassel.

IIRC, close to 60% of his yardage was gained after the catch.

(I'd love to see that link again, I can't find it, and I don't have a STATS, Inc account)

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

philfree · 04-12-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

How much did those same recievers have in 2007? Welker = yac.

PhilFree

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

How much did those same recievers have in 2007? Welker = yac.

PhilFree

i dont know, but tom brady is also pretty ****ing good at putting the ball in a spot where the wrs can run, hitting in stride, away from the defender,etc.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

How much did those same recievers have in 2007? Welker = yac.

PhilFree

against the dolphins in 2007 brady threw for 354 yards and 160 of it was YAC (70 yac for welker) but no one talks about how many YAC they had when TB was behind center. the dolphins game was the only one i could find an article about but i would be willing to bet the actual # is pretty close from 2007-2008

Mile High Mania · 04-12-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

It never hurts having Moss and Welker as your two primary targets, look at 2007 vs 2008 for those guys and aside from RECs being down for Moss, they're both consistent with their AVG YPC... those two guys help any QB and they have nice YAC.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It never hurts having Moss and Welker as your two primary targets, look at 2007 vs 2008 for those guys and aside from RECs being down for Moss, they're both consistent with their AVG YPC... those two guys help any QB and they have nice YAC.

so if the YAC #s are consistent between cassel and brady does it make an argument against cassel work?

htismaqe · 04-12-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

my point is that MAYBE some of the YAC was BECAUSE of cassell's ball placement. some of that(alot IMO) is on him , just as much as the WRs

This needs to be emphasized.

While QB's may benefit GREATLY from a WR's ability to run after the catch, that same QB can single-handedly KILL a WR's ability to actually do it.

**SAUTO** · 04-12-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This needs to be emphasized.

While QB's may benefit GREATLY from a WR's ability to run after the catch, that same QB can single-handedly KILL a WR's ability to actually do it.

thank you

Mile High Mania · 04-12-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This needs to be emphasized.

While QB's may benefit GREATLY from a WR's ability to run after the catch, that same QB can single-handedly KILL a WR's ability to actually do it.

I don't think we've denied this to be true... but, Jason wants to act as if NE's success was more Cassel and not the system. No biggie though.